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இந்து அமைப்புகளுக்கு 2 பங்கு, முஸ்லிம் அமைப்புக்கு 1 பங்கு என பாகம் பிரிக்கப்பட்ட சர்ச்சைக்குரிய நிலம் பற்றிய அயோத்தி தீர்ப்பு வந்தவுடன் இந்திய முஸ்லிம்களிடம் விரக்தி ஏற்பட்டது. உலகில் முஸ்லிம்கள் இரண்டாவது அதிக எண்ணிக் கையில் உள்ள இந்தியாவில் தாங்கள் இரண்டாவது குடி மக்களாகி விட்டோமோ, பெரும் பான்மை மக்களின் குரல்தான் இந்தியாவின் தீர்மானிக்கும் சக்தியாக இருக்கிறதோ என்ற பயமும் அவர்களுக்கு வந்தது.

முஸ்லிம் சமுதாயத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவரான பிரபல வரலாற்று அறிஞர் இர்பான் ஹபீப், ""இந்திய தொல்லியல்துறை தன் னுடைய கார்பன் டேட்டிங் முறைப்படி அயோத்தியில் சர்ச் சைக்குரிய இடத்தில் ஒரு விதமான செங்கல் கட்டுமானம் பல ஆண்டுகளாக இருந்ததாகவும், கோயில்களுக்குரிய தூண்கள் இருந்ததாகவும் சொல்லியிருக்கிறது. அதே மாதிரியான தூணின் வடிவத்தை விஸ்வ இந்துபரிஷத் கண்டெடுத்ததாக கோர்ட்டில் சொல்லியிருக்கிறார்கள். ஆனால், கார்பன் டேட்டிங் முறைப் படி இதுவரை அந்த இடம் 1 லட்சத்து 78ஆயிரம் ஆண்டு களுக்கு முன் அங்கேதான் ராமர் பிறந்தார் என்றோ அப்போதே கோயில் இருந்தது என்றோ சொல்ல முடியாது. எனவே, இந்த ஆய்வின் அடிப்படையில் முடிவுக்கு வந்தது தவறு'' என்று ஓங்கி அடித்தார்.

காங்கிரஸ், பா.ஜ.க, தி.மு.க., அ.தி.மு.க., சி.பி.எம். உள் ளிட்ட பல கட்சிகளும், இது அனைவருக்கும் பொதுவான தீர்ப்பு என்று சொல்லிக்கொண்டிருந்த நிலையில், சமாஜ்வாடி கட்சித் தலைவர் முலாயம்சிங் யாதவின் குரல் கோபமாக ஒலித்தது. ""இந்த தீர்ப்பு முஸ்லிம்களுக்கு எதிரானது. முஸ்லிம் கள் ஏமாற்றப்பட்டிருக்கிறார்கள்'' என்றார். அயோத்தி தீர்ப்பிற் குப் பிறகு அரசியல் வட்டாரத்தில் முதன்முறையாக அதிர்வு உண்டானது. பா.ஜ.க., மாயாவதி ஆகியோர் முலாயமின் குரலுக்கு எதிர்ப்பு தெரிவித்ததுடன், உ.பி.யில் உள்ள முஸ்லிம் தலைவர்கள் சிலரும், "இந்தக் கருத்து மோதலுக்கு வழி வகுக்கும்' என்றனர்.

டெல்லியில் ஆர்.எஸ்.எஸ். தலைவர் மோகன் பகவத் தலைமையில் ஒரு சிந்தனை அமர்வு நடைபெற்றது. "இது நமக்கு கிடைத்த மிகப்பெரிய வெற்றி. கோயில் கட்டுவதற்கான உரிமை யை இந்த தீர்ப்பு அங்கீகரித்திருக் கிறது. அதனால் சர்ச்சைக்குரிய நிலம் முழுவதையும் நம் பக்கம் கொண்டு வருவதுடன் அதைச் சுற்றியுள்ள இடங்களையும் வசப் படுத்தவேண்டும். இந்த தீர்ப்பை எதிர்த்து 90 நாளில் முஸ்லிம்கள் தரப்பில் சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட்டுக்குப் போகமுடியும். அதற்குள்ளாக, முஸ்லிம் சார்பில் மனு தாக்கல் செய்த அன்சாரியையும் சன்னி வக்ஃப் போர்டையும் சமாதானப் படுத்தணும்' என்று அங்கு பேசப் பட்டது. இதற்காக அகில பாரதிய அக்காரா பரிஷத்தைச் சேர்ந்த கியான்தாஸ் என்பவரிடம் பகவத் பேசினார்.1.jpg
91 வயதாகும் டெய்லரான அன்சாரியை சர்ச்சைக் குரிய இடத்தில் உள்ள ஹனுமந்த் கோயிலுக்கு அழைத்தார் கியான்தாஸ். கோர்ட்டுக்கு வெளியே பேசித் தீர்த்துக்கலாம் என்று கியான்தாஸ் சொல்ல, சரி என்றிருக்கிறார் அன்சாரி. ஆனால், இந்த சமாதான முயற்சியை வக்ஃப் போர்டு ஏற்கத் தயாராக இல்லை. இந்துத்வா அமைப்புகள் எப்படியாவது கோர்ட்டுக்கு வெளியே இந்தப் பிரச்சினையைத் தீர்த்து, அயோத்தியில் ராமர்கோயிலை கட்டவேண்டும் என்பதில் உறுதி காட்டுகிறது. இதற்காக, பா.ஜ.க. பொதுச்செயலாளர் அருண் ஜெட்லி, முஸ்லிம் தனிநபர் சட்ட வாரியத்தைச் சேர்ந்த இலியாஸிடம் பேசினார். சட்ட வாரியத்தின் செயற்குழுவில்தான் எந்த முடிவும் எடுக்கப் படும் என ஜெட்லியிடம் இலியாஸ் சொல்லிவிட்டார். இதற் கிடையே, "முஸ்லிம் சட்டவாரியம் இப்பிரச்சினையில் தலையிட உரிமை கிடையாது' என சன்னி வக்ஃப் போர்டு தெரிவித்துள்ள துடன், சுப்ரீம் கோர்ட்டில் அப்பீலுக்குச் செல்வதற்கு ஆயத்தமாகி வருகிறது.

மத்தியில் ஆளும் காங்கிரஸ் தரப்போ, இந்து-முஸ்லிம் இருதரப்பிலும் நல்லபிள்ளை என்ற பெயரை எடுப்பதற்கான வேலைகளில் இறங்கியுள்ளது. இந்து தரப்புக்கு ஆதரவான இந்தத் தீர்ப்பு பீகார் உள்ளிட்ட வட மாநிலங்களில் நடக்கும் சட்டமன்றத் தேர்தல்களிலும் அடுத்த நாடாளுமன்றப் பொதுத் தேர்தலிலும் காங்கிரசுக்கு சேதாரத்தை ஏற்படுத்தாமல் இருக்கும் என நினைக்கும் காங்கிரஸ் மேலிடம், அதே நேரத்தில் முஸ்லிம் களின் பாரம்பரியமான வாக்குகளை இழந்துவிடக் கூடாது என்பதிலும் கவனமாக இருக்கிறது. ""அயோத்தி தீர்ப்பினால் பாபர் மசூதி இடிக்கப்பட்டது நியாயப்படுத்த வில்லை. மசூதி இடிப்பு என்பது கிரிமினல் செயல்'' என்றார் உள்துறை அமைச்சர் ப.சிதம்பரம். இதற்கு பா.ஜ.க. தரப்பிலிருந்து எதிர்ப்புக் குரல் கிளம்பியுள்ளது. கோர்ட்டில் உள்ள பாபர் மசூதி இடிப்பு வழக்கு பற்றி ப.சி. எப்படி பேசலாம் என இந்துத்வா அமைப்புகள் குரல் எழுப்புகின்றன.

அயோத்தி தீர்ப்பின் அடிப்படையில் அரசியல் காய் நகர்த்தல்கள் ஒரு புறம் நடந்துகொண்டிருக்க, கோர்ட்டுக்கு வெளியே இந்தப் பிரச்சினையை இந்து தரப்பிற்கு ஆதரவாக முடிப்பதற்கு பா.ஜ.க. உள்ளிட்ட இந்துத்வா அமைப்புகள் தீவிர முயற்சியில் இருக்கின்றன. காங்கிரசின் ரகசிய விருப்பமும் அதுதான் என்கின்றன டெல்லி வட்டாரங்கள்

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Ayodhya: Why are some historians angry?

The Allahabad High Court verdict in the “The Sunni Central Board of Waqfs UP Lucknow & Others Versus Gopal Singh Visharad and Others” lawsuit has upset some historians and they have started questioning the credibility of the Archaeological Survey of India report. According to Romila Thapar, few archaeologists and historians had quesioned the ASI report and hence it was not fair to accept it in a simplistic manner. She then lamented about the mention of destruction of the “supposed temple” without balancing it with the mention of the destruction of the not-so-supposed mosque. Dr. Omar Khaladi went one step furthur and accused the ASI — an institution controlled by a non-Hindutva party — of being a handmaiden of Hindutva.

This anger against the ASI can be understood if we examine the narrative perpetuated by these historians. In 1989 many historians issued a statement that there was no temple.But a decade back, under a project titled, “Archaeology of Ramayana Sites”, the ASI had conducted surveys around Babri Masjid. The goal was to determine the antiquity of the site; settlements existed in Ayodhya as far back as the second millennium BCE. Archaeologists also found twelve stone pillars with Hindu motifs and deities, but the report published in 1976 did not mention these.

Some eminent historians tried to explain these pillar bases away by suggesting that these were part of a wall or a cowshed. But the court ordered excavations conducted by the ASI from March 12 to August 7, 2003 found pillar bases all over the area. Based on this, the ASI summarized the following for the court.

“Subsequently, during the early medieval period (11th–12th century AD) a huge structure was constructed, which seems to have been short-lived. On the remains of the above structure was constructed a massive structure with at least three structural phases and three successive floors attached to it. It is over the top of this construction during the early sixteenth century, the disputed structure was constructed directly resting over it.[Massive shrine was under disputed site]

Second, following the demolition of the Babri Masjid, a large stone block with a Sanskrit inscription was found. This inscription clearly indicated that a temple dating to 11-12th century existed at that location. Some historians argued that the inscription was forged but many epigraphists who examined the slab disagreed. Finally, as B.B.Lal (Director General of ASI) wrote in Rama: His Historicity, Mandir and Setu, Evidence of Literature, Archaeology and other Sciences

Anyway, to allay misgivings, I append here a note from the highest authority on epigraphical matters in the country, namely the Director of Epigraphy, ASI, Dr KV Ramesh (Appendix II). In it he first gives a summary of the inscription, then an actual reading of the text and finally an English translation thereof. While many scholars may like to go through the Note, it maybe straightaway here that according to it this temple was built by Meghasuta who obtained the lordship of Saketamandala (i.e. Ayodhya) through the grace of the senior Lord of the earth viz Govinda Chandra, of the Gahadavala dynasty who ruled over a vast empire, from 1114 to 1155 CE.

What ASI proved was that Romila Thapar’s “supposed temple” did exist. Taking note of the criticism against the ASI, the judges have mentioned the ASI excavations were transparent and it proved beyond doubt, the existence of the temple and “even Muslim members have also signed the report of ASI.” Finally, dismissing the argument by some historians that the structure beneath the mosque could not be a temple because of the discovery of animal bones, “HC was also surprised to note the “zeal” in some of the archaeologists and historians appearing as witnesses on behalf of the Sunni Waqf Board who made statements much beyond reliefs demanded by the Waqf.”


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Top cleric Madni asks Muslims to accept Ayodhya verdict
Masoodul Hasan, Hindustan Times
Lucknow, October 08, 2010
The president of Jamiat Ulema Hind (JUH) Maulana Mahmood Madni on Friday called up on the Muslim community to accept the High Court verdict in Babri Masjid-Ramjanam Bhoomi case. The Maulana, heading one of the biggest organizations of Ulema (clerics) in the country, told Hindustan Times on Fridaythat the Muslim community should coolly think over the issue and accept the judgment.

 

The acceptance of the verdict would be in larger interest of the nation, Muslim community and especially for next generation. Madni said by quickly sorting out conflicting issues, the community should try to move ahead. He said the construction of places of worship of both communities at the place in Ayodhya would vastly improve the image of the country.

However Madni said it was his personal view as the working committee of JUH would meet October 19 to discuss the matter and take a final view.

He said during the last few days various views had come out in the community. While one group wanted appeal in the Supreme Court, another had asked for out of court settlement. But there was a third group in the community, which wanted to hand over one-third land, awarded by the High Court, either under protest or happily.

“People are talking differently on the issue”, Madni said, adding now the solution should be peaceful. He said the community should ponder over the problems of next generation so that it could progress and prosper.

Even before JUH takes up his views for discussion on October 19, he is likely to raise it at the working committee meeting of All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) in Lucknow on October 16. There are dissenting views in the AIMPLB over the verdict and one group has been insisting on out-of-court compromise. The legal committee of the board will meet tomorrow in Delhi to discuss the verdict and make suggestions to the AIMPLB working committee.

The JUH, known for prominent role in freedom movement, had always taken moderate views of the contentious problem. The JUH had last year issued a fatwa against terrorism. The organization has now summoned a conference of Ulema on Kashmir on October 10 in Deoband to make suggestions to sort out the vexed problem



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HC judge exposed experts espousing Masjids cause

Waqf Board Line-Up Accused Of Having Ostrich-Like Attitude

Abhinav Garg | TNN

New Delhi: The role played by independent experts historians and archaeologists who appeared on behalf of the Waqf Board to support its claim has come in for criticism by one Allahabad High Court judge in the Ayodhya verdict.
While the special bench of three judges unanimously dismissed objections raised by the experts to the presence of a temple,it was Justice Sudhir Agarwal who put their claims to extended judicial scrutiny.
Most of these experts deposed twice.Before the ASI excavations,they said there was no temple beneath the mosque and,after the site had been dug up,they claimed what was unearthed was a mosque or a stupa.
During lengthy cross-examination spread over several pages and recorded by Justice Agarwal,the historians and experts were subjected to pointed queries about their expertise,background and basis for their opinions.
To the courts astonishment,some who had written signed articles and issued pamphlets,were withering under scrutiny and the judge said they were displayed an ostrich-like attitude to facts.He also pointed out how the independent witnesses were connected one had done a PhD under the other,another had contributed an article to a book penned by a witness.
Some instances underlined by the judge are: Suvira Jaiswal deposed whatever knowledge I gained with respect to disputed site is based on newspaper reports or what others told (other experts).She said she prepared a report on the Babri dispute on basis of discussions with medieval history expert in my department. Supriya Verma,another expert who challenged the ASI excavations,had not read the ground penetration radar survey report that led the court to order an excavation.She did her PhD under another expert Shireen F Ratnagar.
Verma and Jaya Menon alleged that pillar bases at the excavated site had been planted but HC found they were not present at the time the actual excavation took place.
Archaeologist Shereen F Ratnagar has written the introduction to the book of another expert who deposed,Professor Mandal.She admitted she had no field experience.
Normally,courts do not make adverse comments on the deposition of a witness and suffice it to consider whether it is credible or not,but we find it difficult to resist ourselves in this particular case considering the sensitivity and nature of dispute and also the reckless and irresponsible kind of statements... the judge noted.
He said opinions had been offered without making a proper investigation,research or study in the subject.The judge said he was startled and puzzled by contradictory statements.When expert witness Suraj Bhan deposed on the Babri mosque,the weight of his evidence was contradicted by anotherexpert for Muslim parties,Shirin Musavi,who told the court that Bhan is an archaeologist and not an expert on medieval history.
Justice Agarwal noted that instead of helping in making a cordial atmosphere it tends to create more complications,conflict and controversy. He pointed out that experts carry weight with public opinion.

3 main parties meet,discuss a formula


Unfazed by plans of others to approach the SC,three main parties in the Ayodhya title suitsRamjanmabhoomi Trust,Hashim Ansari and Nirmohi Akharaon Friday came together for the first time on a public platform and discussed a formula for a negotiated settlement.Panch Ram Das of Nirmohi Akhara,Ramvilas Vedanti of Ramjanmabhoomi Trust and Hashim Ansari held a meeting at the residence of Hanuman Garhi Mahant Gyan Das and discussed ways to find a solution.PTI

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Babri Masjid Revisited

Indian Muslims must use the opportunity to bring closure to a long-standing dispute

Maulana Wahiduddin Khan


The Babri masjid was built in 1528 at Ayodhya by Mir Baqi,the governor of Ayodhya at the time.He built it adjacent to the Ram chabutra,which is held sacred by the Hindus.This was a clear deviation from the Islamic principle.According to Islam,the places of worship of two religions should be built at a considerable distance from each other.
When Caliph Omar visited Jerusalem in AD 638,he wanted to offer his prayers.At that moment,he happened to be in the Church of the Resurrection of Jerusalem.The Christian bishop told him he could offer his prayers inside that very church.But the caliph refused.He said that he would offer his prayers at a stones throw from the church.If he offered his prayers right there inside the church,it would create a controversy in the future.The Muslims of later generations would say that they would build a mosque there because their caliph had offered prayers there.Notwithstanding this historic example,Mir Baqi built a mosque adjoining a Hindu sacred place.This was bound to create problems.
In 1949,some Hindus placed three idols inside the Babri mosque.Unable to manage the crisis this created,the Muslims reacted: their failure to adopt the prophetic principle in this regard started an unending controversy between the two communities.
At the time of the Prophet,in the first quarter of the 7century AD,idol worshippers had placed 360 idols in the premises of the Kabah,Mecca.But the Prophet never reacted.He simply ignored the situation and tried to change peoples hearts.And the result was that,within 20 years,Meccans abandoned idol worship and became the followers of the Prophet.Then those Meccans themselves removed the idols from the Kabah without any confrontation or bloodshed.
In 1991,during the prime ministership of Narasimha Rao,the Indian Parliament passed a legislation called the Places of Worship Act,1991.According to this Act,the government of India was bound to maintain the status quo of all places of worship on the Indian soil as it stood in 1947.But there was an exception that of the Babri masjid of Ayodhya.The Act maintained that the Babri masjid issue was in court,so the government would wait and it would be its duty to implement the verdict of the court when it was given.
This Act was a most reasonable one and Muslims should have accepted it as such.But they rejected it outright and resorted to street demonstrations.The demolition of the Babri masjid on December 6,1992,was nothing but the culmination of this negative course of action adopted by the Muslims.At that time i said: Babri Masjid ko Hinduon ne toda aur Musalmano ne usko tudwaya. (The Hindus demolished the Babri masjid but Muslims provoked them to do so.)
The Muslims subsequently took the very impractical line that the masjid should be rebuilt on the same spot.At that time,i said that the rebuilding formula was totally unrealistic;Muslims should accept the alternative formula of the relocation of the mosque.
It is a well-known fact that the relocation formula has been adopted by Arab countries.When these countries wanted to replan their cities,they found that there were many mosques that were obstacles to city planning.They did not hesitate to relocate such mosques.I said at the time that Muslims in India ought to adopt this same formula and accept the relocation of the Babri mosque.But again the Muslims refused.
Now,after the judicial verdict on September 30,2010,the Muslims are generally saying that this verdict is contrary to their hopes and they will challenge it in the Supreme Court.But this is not going to solve the problem.It is an emotional reaction to the verdict and not a well-considered response.
Suppose the Muslims refer the issue to the Supreme Court and suppose it issues a judgement in their favour.Even then it will not solve the problem.The Muslims themselves set a precedent in 1985,which is enough to predict the situation as it will unfold.
In 1985,the Supreme Court issued a judgement in the Shah Bano case,which ran counter to Muslim aspirations.So the Muslims refused to accept the judgement.They took to the streets and the government was compelled to pass a new Act.The Hindus would certainly say that it was now their turn to refuse the verdict issued by the Supreme Court.
The only solution to this problem is for the Muslims to decide to put a full stop to this issue.If they put a comma,then there will be no end to it.We have lost 60 years by putting comma after comma and now this is the last chance to bring closure to the issue so that the relationship between the Hindus and the Muslims may be normalised.And this full stop means either leaving it to the government to implement the verdict or agreeing to the relocation of the Babri mosque.There is,in reality,no third option.


The writer is an Islamic scholar.



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vedaprakash எழுதியது

சட்டத்தின்பார்வையில்ராமர்டாக்டர்இரா.நாகசாமி

டாக்டர்இரா.நாகசாமி[1]: எல்லாரும் எதிர்பார்த்திருந்த அயோத்தி வழக்கில், மூன்று நீதிபதிகள் தீர்ப்பு கூறிவிட்டனர். அத்தீர்ப்பில் இரண்டு முக்கிய முடிவுகள் வெளிவந்துள்ளன[2].

 

அவற்றில் முக்கிய முடிவு, பாபர் மசூதியின் கீழே ஒரு கோவிலின் இடிபாடுகள் உள்ளன என்பதை மூன்று நீதிபதிகளும் ஏற்றுக்கொண்டுள்ளனர்[3]. பாபர், அங்கிருந்த கோவிலை இடித்து விட்டு மசூதியைக் கட்டினாரா என்ற கேள்வியே அர்த்தமற்றதாகி விட்டது[4]. ஆதலின், அதைப் பற்றி யாரும் இப்போது கவலைப்படவில்லை. அந்த இடம் வழிபாட்டில் இருந்த இடம் என்பதால், இஸ்லாமியருக்கு மூன்றில் ஒரு பங்கும், நிர்மோகி அகாராவுக்கு ஒரு பங்கும், ராம் லாலாவுக்கு ஒரு பங்குமாக பிரித்துக் கொடுக்க நீதிபதிகள் தீர்ப்பளித்துள்ளனர். இதுகுறித்து பல கருத்துக்கள் எழுந்துள்ளன.

 

“இத்தீர்ப்பு சட்டப்படி அளிக்கப்பட்டதல்ல; ராமர் உயிருள்ள மனிதர் போல கருதும் நம்பிக்கைக்கு இடமளித்து, ராம் லாலாவுக்கு ஒரு பங்கு எனக் கொடுத்துள்ளது சட்டத்துக்கு ஏற்புடையது அல்ல. நம்பிக்கைக்கு முதலிடம் கொடுத்து அளித்தது. தெய்வம் என்ற நம்பிக்கையை மனிதர் போல் கொண்டு தீர்ப்பளித்துள்ளது நம் பண்பாட்டுக்கு ஏற்றதல்ல. ஆதலால், சட்டப்படி மேல் முறையீடு செய்து, இதை தோற்கடிக்க வேண்டும்’ என்பது வாதம். “தெய்வத்துக்கு நிலம்; பிற பொருள்கள் உரிமை கொள்ள முடியுமா?’ என்று பல வன்மையான கட்டுரைகள் வருகின்றன[5].

 

தஞ்சையில் மாபெரும் கோவிலை கட்டி, ஆயிரம் ஆண்டுகள் ஆனதை பெரும் விழாவாக இப்பொழுது தான் முடித்திருக்கிறோம். இவ்விழாவையும், இதைக் கட்டிய ராஜராஜனின் புகழையும் வரிந்து கட்டி எழுதாத பத்திரிகைகளே இல்லை. அவன் பண்பாட்டுக்கு செய்துள்ள மகத்தான பணியை வாழ்த்தாத வாயில்லை.  ராஜராஜன் தான் தோற்றுவித்த தெய்வத்தை எவ்வாறு போற்றி வணங்கியிருக்கிறான் என்று இவ்வமயம் காணலாம். தன், தெய்வத்தை உயிருள்ள ஒரு பெருமகனை எவ்வாறு காண்பானோ அவ்வாறு தான் கண்டிருக்கிறான். அவன், தன் கோவிலில் எழுதியுள்ள கல்வெட்டுகள் அனைத்தும் சட்டப்படி பதிவான பத்திரங்கள் தான். அவன், தன் தெய்வத்துக்கு வழிபாட்டுக்கு, பிற செலவுகளுக்கும் ஏராளமான நிலங்களும், ஊர்களும் அளித்து அவற்றை துல்லியமாக எழுதி வைத்துள்ளான்.

 

அவற்றில் அவன், “இராஜராஜீச்வரம் உடைய பரமசுவாமிக்கு நாம் கொடுத்தது’ என்று தெளிவாக எழுதியுள்ளான். நிலம் கொடுத்தது மட்டுமல்ல, அணிகலன்கள் கொடுத்தது, சமையல் கலங்கள் கொடுத்தது என என்னென்ன கொடுத்தானோ, அத்தனையையும் தனித்தனியாக, “அவருக்கு கொடுத்தது’ என்றே எழுதியுள்ளார். அத்துடன், அந்த தெய்வத்தை, “உடையார்’ என்றும் தவறாது கூறுகிறான். அதாவது, நிலம், அணிகலன் என எல்லாவற்றையும் உடையவர் அவர் என்று கூறுகிறான்.  ராஜராஜன் பின்பற்றிய சட்டப்படி கோவிலில் உறையும் தெய்வம் உயிருள்ள மனிதர் போலவே கொள்ளப்பட்டுள்ளது என தெள்ளத் தெளிவாக குறித்துள்ளான்[6].

 

இது, ஆயிரம் ஆண்டு பண்பாடு. இது ஏதோ ராஜராஜன் தோற்றுவித்த மரபு அல்ல. அவனுக்கு முன்னர் பல நூற்றாண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பிருந்தே நிலவிய சட்ட மரபு தான்[7]. பல்லவர், பாண்டியர், சோழர் விட்டுச் சென்றுள்ள சட்டப்படி பதிவு செய்யப்பட்ட பத்திரங்கள் தான்.  அவை, அனைத்திலும் தெய்வத்தை மனிதர் போல் பொருள் கொள்ளும் தத்துவமாகத்தான் கருதப்பட்டுள்ளது. ராஜராஜனுக்குப் பின்னரும் இன்று வரை கோவில்களுக்கு கொடுக்கப்பட்ட கொடைகள் அனைத்தும் அந்தந்த தெய்வத்துக்கு கொடுக்கப்பட்டவை தான். பல்லாயிரம் கல்வெட்டுகள் உள்ளன.

 

வெள்ளைக்காரர்கள் காலத்திலும் கோவில் தெய்வம் பொருள் கொள்ள முடியுமா? என்ற வாதம், நீதிமன்றங்களில் வந்துள்ளன. வெள்ளைக்கார நீதிபதிகளும், சட்டத்தை ஆய்ந்து, தெய்வங்களுக்கு பொருள் கொள்ளும் உரிமை உள்ளது என்பதை பல வழக்குகளிலே நிரூபித்து தீர்ப்பு கூறியுள்ளனர்.  படாதாகூர், சோடாதாகூர் என்ற வழக்கு ஒரு நூறு ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்னர் நடைபெற்றுள்ளன. அவற்றில் எல்லாம் இந்த நிலை ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளப்பட்டுள்ளது. நம் நாட்டில் ஈராயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாக உள்ள பல்லாயிரக்கணக்கான கல்வெட்டுகளும், செப்பேடுகளும், வெள்ளைக்காரன் நீதியும் கூட இம்முடிவுக்கே வந்துள்ளன.

 

அலகாபாத் நீதிபதிகள் நீதி முறை தெரியாதவர் அல்ல. பல தீர்ப்புகளையும் ஆய்ந்து, சான்றுகளையும் அறிந்தோர். ஆதலின் அவற்றை ஆதாரமாகக் கொண்டு அளித்த தீர்ப்பு, சரியான, சட்டப்படி நேர்மையான தீர்ப்பே. வரலாறும், அண்மைக் கால தீர்ப்பும், அதையே காட்டுகின்றன. நம்பிக்கையின் பேரில் அளிக்கப்பட்ட தீர்ப்பல்ல. அந்நீதிபதிகள் வரலாற்று நோக்கிலும், சட்ட நோக்கிலும் நம் பாராட்டுக்கு உரியவர்கள்.ஆதலின், சட்டத்தின் பார்வையில், ராம் லாலாவுக்கு கொடுக்கப்பட்ட நிலம் சரியே.

 

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[1] டாக்டர் இரா.நாகசாமி – முந்தைய தமிழ்நாட்டு மாநில தொல்துறையின் இயக்குனர், தொல்துறை நிபுணர், சரித்திர ஆசிரியர். குறிப்பாக பத்தூர் நடராஜர் சிலை / விக்கிரகத்தை கடத்திச் சென்று, இங்கிலாந்தில் விற்றபோது, லண்டன் நீதிமன்றத்தில் ஆஜராகி, விக்கிரகத்தை அடையாளங்காட்டி மீட்டு வந்ததில் முக்கிய பங்கு வகித்தவர். அப்பொழுது லண்டன் நீதிமன்றத்தில், சிலை / விக்கிரகம், சட்டப்படி, ஒரு நபர்தான் ஆகவே, அவர், அவருடைய கோவிலுக்குச் சொந்தமானவர். ஆகவே, அவர் கோவிலுக்குத்தான் ஒப்படைக்க வேண்டும். அதாவது, கோவில் விக்கிரகத்திற்குச் சொந்தமானது, விக்கிரகம் கோவிலுக்குச் சொந்தமானது. அதுபோலத்தான், சட்டப்படி அயோத்தி நிலம் ராமருக்குச் சொந்தமானது, ராமருக்கு அயோத்தி நிலம் சொந்தமானது.

[2] தினமலர், சட்டத்தின்பார்வையில்ராமர்டாக்டர்இரா.நாகசாமி, பதிவு செய்த நாள் : அக்டோபர் 10, 2010,23:49 IST; மாற்றம் செய்த நாள் : அக்டோபர் 12,2010,02:18 IST; http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=103771

[3] முழு தீர்ப்பு படிக்கக் கிடைப்பதால், அதைப் படித்து மற்றவர்கள் கருத்து சொல்லவேண்டும். ஆனால், பலரும், படிக்காமலேயே, தீர்ப்பு பற்றி குறைகூறுவது சரியில்லை.

[4] அதாவது அந்த பிரச்சினை, ஆதாரங்களின் மீதுள்ள நிலையில், கோவில் உள்ளது என்பதனால், அந்த சர்ச்சையை வளர்க்க வேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை.

[5] சட்டப்படி விக்கிரகம் என்பது ஒரு நபர், அவருக்கு சொத்து முதலியவை உரிமையாக வைத்திருக்கலாம், சடங்குகள், விழாக்கள் நடத்தலாம்…….எல்லா உரிமைகளும் உண்டு. அந்த சட்ட உரிமைகளை மறுப்பதுதான், சட்டவிரோதமானது.

[6] முன்னர் குறிப்பிட்டப்படி, விக்கிரகம் ஒரு சட்டாப்பூர்வன்மான நபர், ஆகவே, அவர் சொத்தை வைத்துக் கொள்ளலாம், அனுபவிக்கலாம். மற்றவர்கள் அதை / அவற்றை கையாட நினைத்தால், கொள்ளையடித்தால், அவரது இருப்பிடத்தை / கோவிலை இடித்தால் வழக்குப் போடலாம், சட்டப்படி, திரும்ப தனது சொத்தைக் கேட்டுப் பெறாலாம்.

[7] சட்ட மரபு என்று அழகாக விளக்கியுள்ளார். ஏனெனில் சட்டமும் மனிதனால் ஒருவாக்கப்பட்டதே. காலங்காலமாக இருக்கும் சட்ட-சம்பிரதாயங்களை அனுசரித்தே சட்டங்கள் இயற்றப்படுகின்றன.














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Historians and activists deplore Ayodhya verdict

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New Delhi: In the first civil society response in the Capital to the Ayodhya verdict,eminent historians and activists deplored the disturbing absence of the concept of secularism in the lengthy judgment.They said the judgment read as though the judges had penned the verdict in a pre-Constitution era.
Calling the verdict a judicial reconstruction of faith rather than interpretation,advocates noted that the judges,far from upholding the principles of a secular State,made the law subordinate to faith.The word and concept of secularism is completely missing, said advocate Anupam Gupta,who briefed the media on behalf of the activists,academics and advocates who had met on Friday.
Signatories to the statement include academics such as K N Panikkar,Uma Chakravorty,K M Shrimali,Zoya Hasan,Nandini Sundar and activists such as Harsh Mander and Syeda Hameed.
Belief won over facts.Swami Vivekananda,an orthodox Hindu,the inspiration of millions,never once spoke of Ram janmabhoomi.Now,within the Allahabad-benchs non-secular approach to the judgment,a second question is raised.How do you interpret the faith said Gupta.The judges imposed the belief of some Hindus on the verdict,he said,resulting in imagination in the guise of judicial interpretation of what the Hindu faith is.
The verdict,it was forcefully felt,sets a dangerous precedent as upholding a sections beliefs can also be used as an excuse to target vulnerable groups such as dalits and women.The very manner in which the judgment was approached,it was felt,showed that perceptions were placed over facts.
The fallout of this may emerge in other walks of like.India may see repercussions when identity-driven groups try to drive home their point on similar beliefs.After all,said Gupta,khap panchayats also have their perceptions,their beliefs,which drive their various actions today whether it is demand for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act or views on womens role in society.



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பிரபல சரித்திர ஆசிரியர்கள் சுன்னி வக்ஃப் போர்டின் நிபுணர்களாக செயல்பட்ட விதம்!

Ramajanmabhumi-Babarimasjid, evidences and Court or

Hisorians as witnesses and Sunni Wakf Board Experts!

Vedaprakash

Ramajanmabhumi-Babarimasjid and eminent hisorians: The eminent historians would appear immediately, whenever “Rama” appears in the headlines of Indian media. They start interpreting historicity of “Ramayana” according to their own way without any regard for the other view or perspective[1]. Even in the case of Sethu-samuthram, they started writing in “the Hindu” and EPW grinding their mills as usual[2]. Of course, the left media does / did not want the opinion of the others[3]. They vociferously lecture and write that they would appeal against the judgment and so on, but disappear thereafter. They exploit every forum like IHC etc., only to project their viewpoint[4]. Romila Thapar roared, “We would appeal against this jugment”, when the so-called “Hindutva judgment” came[5], but nothing happened! And the faithful readers of “The Hindu”, Frontline, EPW and the devoted members of IHC etc., also do not bother as to why their eminent historians tell lies or play such dubious games? Why they believe the eminent historians, because of their eminence or for their duplicity? Have they ever thought about them as to why they behave like that? Now, again these left / eminent intellectuals / historians have been busy with issuing statements. Besides, historians and experts others too join!

130 experts sign – ASI report should be made public, says appeal to Chief Justice[6] (14-10-2010): Now 130 experts have come out with an open letter addressed to the Chief Justice of India! The news reports say like this, “The Allahabad High Court based a significant part of its judgment in the Ayodhya case on the evidence provided by the Archaeological Survey of India’s report on its excavations at the site, submitted to the court in 2003. They accuse that the report is still hidden from the public eye, and a virtual gag order placed on archaeologists who acted as observers during the excavation[7]. Now that the judgment has been pronounced, a group of 130 academics, activists and intellectuals have demanded that the ASI report be published. In an open letter[8] to the Chief Justice of India and the Chief Justice of the Allahabad High Court, they urged that the report “be made available for scrutiny in the public domain, especially to scholars, as it is now a part of the public judicial record.” The ASI report, which concluded that a temple had existed at the site, has been criticised by many archaeologists for ignoring evidence such as animal bones, which would not have been found in a temple for Ram, and the existence of glazed pottery and graves at all levels which indicated Muslim residence”[9].

Shereen Ratnagar and D. Mandal were slapped with contempt of court charges by the Allahabad High Court: “In May, archaeologists Shereen Ratnagar and D. Mandal were slapped with contempt of court charges by the Allahabad High Court for sharing their observations in a book, titled “Ayodhya: Archaeology After Excavation”, published by Tulika in 2007. The orders in that case have been reserved”. That means they know the implications of the law. That is why they have been keeping quite since 2003!

The open letter and signatories: “The open letter notes that, “the world at large is equally constrained to silence. Such a judicially ordained zone of uncertainty curbs freedom of expression and fair comment.” Indians have never seen them in other caes where such issues have been involved. Thus, they want to selective!

Signatories: “The letter was signed by well-known Indian academics such as Sumit Sarkar, Uma Chakravarti, K.N. Pannikkar, K. Satchidanandan, Ajay Dandekar and filmmakers such as Anand Patwardhan, as well as less well-known Indian citizens – a software engineer, a textile design consultant, a teacher[10]. Academics from abroad – including those from universities in London, Chicago, Stockholm and Copenhagen – have also signed the letter, as friends of India”. This type of letters have been issued since 1992 and many times, the so-called signatories say that they have simply agreed to include their names in such letters. In some cases, they did / do not know also about the inclusion of their names!

Romila Thapar and others: Statement issued through Sahamat (01-10-2010): Another report goes like this: “Questioning the verdict of the Allahabad High Court on the Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suits, a group of left-leaning intellectuals on Friday said the judgment was “yet another blow to the secular fabric of the country” and the “repute of our judiciary”.  The scholars, including Romila Thapar, K M Shrimali, K N Pannikar, Irfan Habib, Utsa Patnaik and C P Chandrasekhar, said in a statement through the platform of Safdar Hashmi Memorial Trust (SAHMAT) that the verdict had raised “serious concerns” because of the way history, reason and secular values had been treated in it. “The view that the Babri Masjid was built at the site of a Hindu temple, which has been maintained by two of the three judges, takes no account of all the evidence contrary to this fact turned up by the Archaeological Survey of India’s own excavations — the presence of animal bones throughout as well as the use of ‘surkhi’ and lime mortar (all characteristic of Muslim presence) rule out the possibility of a Hindu temple having been there beneath the mosque,” the statement noted.

The verdict on Ayodhya: a historian’s perspective[11] (01-10-2010): Under this caption, the view of romila thapar appeared in “The Hindu”. It goes like this, “It has annulled respect for history and seeks to replace it with religious faith.

“The verdict is a political judgment and reflects a decision which could as well have been taken by the state years ago. Its focus is on the possession of land and the building a new temple to replace the destroyed mosque. The problem was entangled in contemporary politics involving religious identities but also claimed to be based on historical evidence. This latter aspect has been invoked but subsequently set aside in the judgment.

“The court has declared that a particular spot is where a divine or semi-divine person was born and where a new temple is to be built to commemorate the birth. This is in response to an appeal by Hindu faith and belief[12]. Given the absence of evidence in support of the claim, such a verdict is not what one expects from a court of law. Hindus deeply revere Rama as a deity but can this support a legal decision on claims to a birth-place, possession of land and the deliberate destruction of a major historical monument to assist in acquiring the land?

“The verdict claims that there was a temple of the 12th Century AD at the site which was destroyed to build the mosque — hence the legitimacy of building a new temple.

“The excavations of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and its readings have been fully accepted even though these have been strongly disputed by other archaeologists and historians. Since this is a matter of professional expertise on which there was a sharp difference of opinion the categorical acceptance of the one point of view, and that too in a simplistic manner, does little to build confidence in the verdict. One judge stated that he did not delve into the historical aspect since he was not a historian but went to say that history and archaeology were not absolutely essential to decide these suits! Yet what are at issue are the historicity of the claims and the historical structures of the past one millennium.

“A mosque built almost 500 years ago and which was part of our cultural heritage[13] was destroyed wilfully by a mob urged on by a political leadership. There is no mention in the summary of the verdict that this act of wanton destruction, and a crime against our heritage, should be condemned. The new temple will have its sanctum — the presumed birthplace of Rama — in the area of the debris of the mosque. Whereas the destruction of the supposed temple is condemned and becomes the justification for building a new temple, the destruction of the mosque is not, perhaps by placing it conveniently outside the purview of the case.

“Has created a precedent[14]The verdict has created a precedent in the court of law that land can be claimed by declaring it to be the birthplace of a divine or semi-divine being worshipped by a group that defines itself as a community. There will now be many such janmasthanswherever appropriate property can be found or a required dispute manufactured. Since the deliberate destruction of historical monuments has not been condemned what is to stop people from continuing to destroy others? The legislation of 1993 against changing the status of places of worship has been, as we have seen in recent years, quite ineffective.

What happened in history, happened. It cannot be changed[15]. But we can learn to understand what happened in its fuller context and strive to look at it on the basis of reliable evidence. We cannot change the pas[16]t to justify the politics of the present. The verdict has annulled respect for history and seeks to replace history with religious faith. True reconciliation can only come when there is confidence that the law in this country bases itself not just on faith and belief, but on evidence”.

Earlier stand – Irfan Habib (01-10-2010): “With the three judges pronouncing differing opinions on the historical and archaeological aspects of the case in the Allahabad High Court’s judgement on the disputed land in Ayodhya, many leading historians have been left bemused. “It’s not a logical judgement with so many parts going 2-1. One does not accept the logicality of the judgement,” said Irfan Habib, a noted historian and a former Chairman of the Indian Council of Historical Research who earlier taught at the Aligarh Muslim University. He noted that the verdict seemed to legitimise the events of 1949[17], when an idol was placed inside the mosque, by constant references. On the other hand, by minimising any mentions of the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992, the court seemed to be disregarding it, he said. He also expressed surprise that two judges questioned the date of construction of the Babri Masjid, as well as the involvement of emperor Babar or his commander Mir Baqi, since there had been clear inscriptions to this effect before the demolition. “Things that are totally clear historically, the court has tried to muddy,” he said[18].

D. N. Jha: “The historical evidence has not been taken into account,” said D.N. Jha, history professor at the Delhi University. Noting the judgement’s mention of the “faith and belief of Hindus” in reference to the history of the disputed structure, Dr. Jha asked why the court had requested an excavation of the site.“If it is a case of ‘belief,’ then it becomes an issue of theology, not archaeology. Should the judiciary be deciding cases on the basis of theology is a question that needs to be asked,” he said.

Supriya Verma, one of the observers: Professional archaeologists also noted that the judges did not seem to rely heavily on the Archaeological Survey of India’s court-directed excavation of the site in 2003, at least in the summaries of their verdict available on Thursday evening. “Somewhere, there is doubt about the credibility of that report,” said Supriya Verma of the Jawaharlal Nehru University, who acted as an observer during the ASI excavation. She noted that neither Justice Sudhir Agarwal nor Justice Dharam Veer Sharma even referenced the ASI report to support his conclusion on the existence of a temple on the site before the mosque was built. “It is almost as though they themselves were not convinced by the evidence. They are clearly conceding that there was no archaeological evidence of a temple or of its demolition…It is a judgement of theology,” she said.

Jaya Menon, one of the observers: Another observer of the ASI excavation, Jaya Menon of the Aligarh Muslim University, noted that the ASI report itself did not provide any evidence of a demolition, and only asserted the existence of a temple in its conclusion. “So I don’t know on what basis they made their judgements,” she said. The ASI report had been criticised by many archaeologists for ignoring evidence such as animal bones, which would not have been found in a temple for Ram, and the existence of glazed pottery and graves which indicated Muslim residents.

The eminent historians as witnesses of Muslims in the Allahabad case: The eminent historians, historical experts  and leftist manufacturers never bother about their secular credentials.  It is not known as to why these coteries should always support for the Masjid or Muslim cause. Ironically, the following have been the witnesses of the case in question, which is criticised by them:

Sl.NoWitness noName of the witness
1Witness No. 63R.S. Sharma
2Witness No. 64Suraj Bhan
3Witness No. 65D.N. Jha[19]
4Witness No. 66Romila Thapar
5Witness No. 70Irfan Habib
6Witness No. 72B.N. Pandey
7Witness No. 95K.M. Shrimali
8Witness No. 99Satish Chandra
9Witness No. 102Gyanendra Pandey

Then, where is their loci standi in criticising the judgment and Court? As witnesses, definitely, they could have deposed before the judges presenting their “historical facts” as they only know how to interpret! The public perhaps, even today do not know that in secular India, these historians stood witnesses to the Muslims! Why none has appeared for Hindus or temple cause? When the cold-blooded terrorist and heinous killer like Kasab is given legal aid, why none appeared for the non-Muslim and non-mosque group? Where is secularism? Would they come out in the public what they told to the judges in the Court? However, the poor show showed in the court by them raises many questions.

HC judge exposed experts espousing Masjids cause:Waqf Board Line-Up Accused Of Having Ostrich-Like Attitude:  The role played by independent experts, historians and archaeologists who appeared on behalf of the Waqf Board to support its claim has come in for criticism by one Allahabad High Court judge in the Ayodhya verdict. While the special bench of three judges unanimously dismissed objections raised by the experts to the presence of a temple, it was Justice Sudhir Agarwal who put their claims to extended judicial scrutiny. Most of these experts deposed twice. Before the ASI excavations, they said there was no temple beneath the mosque and, after the site had been dug up,they claimed what was unearthed was a mosque or a stupa. During lengthy cross-examination spread over several pages and recorded by Justice Agarwal, the historians and experts were subjected to pointed queries about their expertise, background and basis for their opinions.
To the courts astonishment, some who had written signed articles and issued pamphlets, were withering under scrutiny and the judge said they were displayed an ostrich-like attitude to facts. He also pointed out how the independent witnesses were connected one had done a PhD under the other, another had contributed an article to a book penned by a witness.

The vociverous historians could not give evidences properly as witnesses with all their extertise[20]: Some instances underlined by the judge are[21]:

  • Suvira Jaiswal[22] deposed whatever knowledge I gained with respect to disputed site is based on newspaper reports or what others told (other experts). She said she prepared a report on the Babri dispute on basis of discussions with medieval history expert in my department.

  • Supriya Verma[23], another expert who challenged the ASI excavations, had not read the ground penetration radar survey report that led the court to order an excavation. She did her PhD under another expert Shireen F Ratnagar.

  • Verma and Jaya Menon[24] alleged that pillar bases at the excavated site had been planted but HC found they were not present at the time the actual excavation took place.

  • Archaeologist Shereen F Ratnagar has written the introduction to the book of another expert who deposed, Professor Mandal. She admitted she had no field experience.

Normally, courts do not make adverse comments on the deposition of a witness and suffice it to consider whether it is credible or not, but we find it difficult to resist ourselves in this particular case considering the sensitivity and nature of dispute and also the reckless and irresponsible kind of statements…[25] the judge noted. He said opinions had been offered without making a proper investigation, research or study in the subject. The judge said he was startled and puzzled by contradictory statements.When expert witness Suraj Bhan deposed on the Babri mosque, the weight of his evidence was contradicted by anotherexpert for Muslim parties, Shirin Musavi, who told the court that Bhan is an archaeologist and not an expert on medieval history[26]. Justice Agarwal noted that instead of helping in making a cordial atmosphere it tends to create more complications, conflict and controversy. He pointed out that experts carry weight with public opinion.

When the matter is subjudice, one has to obey law: It is a simple matter that whenever, any issue / case is pending with the Court, as the matter is subjudice, it should not be discussed or the decisions cannot be drawn in favour of anybody. However, these left historians etc., have been always speaking and writing supporting for Muslim cause or against Hindus, as is evident from their own recorded / printed statements / articles always published in the selected in few journals / ndewspapers. Unfortunately, they have even agreed to be witnesses for the Wakf Board in the Allahabad Court as their names are figuring. Ironivcally, they are called as Sunni Wakf Board experts![27]

When religions rely upon belief system, so also secularism historians too belive so ignoring objectivity: Like believers and dis-believers historians too believe and compel others to believe their perspective without any objectivity. As their objectivity differes, their perspective also differ, but try to argue with ideology, as could be understood by others. With belief system, no two ideologists could come together; with objectivity no two historians could accept the same historical event in the same view or pwerspective; here, the media has been projecting only one view. So what about the other view and why the media does not provide opportunity to accommodate their view? Should “audi alteram partem– hear the other side and decide” be applicable only to the Courts according to the principle of natural justice or the historians do not want to follow?

The same pattern as noted in the case of DK, DMK and other rapid atheists and radical experts is noted in the case of these eminent historians or Sunni Wakf Board experts: As it is pointed out in the case of DK[28]-DMK[29] radicals and rabid atheist groups that they do not come to Courts or face courts, though, they used to cry and roar that they are not afraid of Courts and so on. Here, also, suppressing the facts, these historians talk and write one thing in the dailies and cover up their mumbling and bungling in the court. The court recordings of the witnesses have been actually exposing their hollowness of expertise, deceptiveness of historical knowledge and their dubious role as witnesses. That they accuse even without seeing, even without reading or just discussing with others etc, prove their capacity of manoeuvring and manipulation of academics. How they get PhDs etc., only prove such academic degradation and professional pampering without any shame or remorse. It is open secret that the JNU, AMU, DU, IHC, ICHR and others at one side and BMAC, Sunni Wakf Board, AIMPLB at the other side have been playing communalism under the guise of secularism. Just by accusing others they cannot live, survive and continue their careers in this competitive world.

Why the eminent historians and Sunni Wakf Board experts did not respond to the remarks of the Judge?Definitely, the remarks of the Judge have been questioning the integrity of the eminent historians and Sunni Wakf Board experts, who deposed before the court as witnesses! They cannot simply brush aside such exposure, as it casts aspersion on their position. The English reading Indians and Indian students may doubt their veracity, reliability and uprightness, as they read their writings or listen to them. Therefore, they should go to court to clear the mess instead of shooting out letters to the Chief Justice just like politicians.

Indians and Indian youth should note as to whether these Sunni Board experts should teach history. Very often, it is said, claimed and propagated that India is / has been secular. Yes, how then the eminent historians professional archaeologists acted as Sunni Wakf Board experts and deposed as witnesses to the Muslims? Why these retired historians, senile professors and their working agents always make clamor about history, historicity and historiography in India, as if they are the sole selling agents of such stuff? Nowadays, the fact is that a few have been takers for history and most of the universities have dispensed with history subject. Definitely, the so-called historians have lost their importance and thus they tried to struggle for survival with the political and communal support. Now, the documents are available to all and the facts are known to everybody who access them through internet or otherwise. Common people may not know or understand the deceptive talkings and writings of the eminent historians or Sunni Wakf Board experts, but slowly they come to know. They easily understand that who want to settle the dispute and who want to continue the dispute for their stakes. Definitely, Muslims and Hindus want to settle the issue once for all, but these history gamblers and politicians want to continue. Therefore, the will of people prevail.

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[2] Romila Thapar, “Where fusion cannot work – faith and history” (the Hindu, dated September 28, 2007).

…………………., Historical Memory without History, in Economic and Political weekly, VOL 42 No. 39 September 29 – October 05, 2007, pp.3903-3905.

K. N. Panikkar, Myth, history and politics, Frontline, October 5, 2007, pp.21-24.

Suraj Bhan, “Government should have stood by ASI”, Ibid, pp.19-20.

[4] During the 2007-IHC session, Suvira Jaiswal was making such satatements. Then, in Delhi also they tried take up the matter. Now, in February 2011 at Malda, they may raise the issue. However, the Indians have to weait and see.

[5] In “the Hindu”, as usual, the news appeared with her photo and all, but after that everbody would have forgot about it! However, their warrior-like talk, veiled threatening and tactics of suppression of facts cannot be acquired by others.

[6] The Hindu, ASI report should be made public, says appeal to Chief Justice, Published: October 14, 2010 01:54 IST | Updated: October 14, 2010 02:03 IST;http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/14/stories/2010101464751800.htm

[7] How this has been a blatant lie has been exposed by the judge and that is why these guys have now tried to save their image by writing such letters. Of course, the media gives due publicity to such hypes and gimmicks.

[8] However, their mumbling, jumbling and bungling deposes before the Court have been kept as closed secret!

[9] Thus the eminent historians look for a non-vegetarian kitchen of Muslims there instrad of a temple. The same experts declared that the 16” inscription was planted by the Karsevaks in 1992.

[10] When Bharatiya Itihasa Sankalana Samiti works on the same lines, the same eminent historians make fun of having such diversified experts, but now they themselves have such signatories, just to project their strength.

[11] The Hindu, Published: October 2, 2010 00:41 IST | Updated: October 2, 2010.

[12] There is nothing new in Romila’s argument, as she repeats the same matter again and again. The unfortunate thing is that she like her friends always want others should accept their views!

[13] How they contradict in their views legally can be noted in such statements. When convenience comes, they forget law, when law is against them, they start talking generalization or raise the bogey of “Hindutva”!

[14] Law precedence is created in the Court. Yes, definitely, the judges are the persons to create and others have to accept. Of course, the appealable legal remedy is there.

[15] But whatever happened also cannot be forgotten. When the same historians want to whitewash the temple destruction of the Muslims and accept only the Muslim contribution, such type of exclusivist logic is not explained. Why the students should not know the facts? In law it is said audi alteram partem – hear the other side and decide. How then historians want to decide without knowing the other side?

[16] Why then the interpretation of the past is always different for different historians? Nowadays, historians do not want objectivity also. How then they woerry about accuracy, when they themselves are not worried about it?

[17] Acts and Rules are within the time frame work. All know that Places of Worship Act is there and it e3xempts only this place and not others. Why then they talk about pre-1947 and after 1947, when law its4elf  cannot do so?

[18]The Hindu, Historical evidence ignored, say historians, dated October 1, 2010, http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article805087.ece

[23] It is interesting to note that the ASI report talks about a shrine followed by a temple with different structural phases, it also talks of “animal bones recovered from various levels of different periods”. If any shrine and a temple existed how can anyone account for the animal bones, Supriya Verma asks? She also maintains that stones and decorated bricks could have been used in any building, not necessarily only in a temple. Also, the carved architectural members have come from the debris and not from the stratified context.

[24] She got appointment in the AMU after she started supporting the cause of mosque and appeared as Sunni Wakf Board expert!

[25] The historians who deposed as witnesses and as well as others should carefully read this and understand their postion. They cannot pretend as if nothing happened or pose as great authorities and roam here and there in historical forums and conferences. Now Indians have also understood their double-games, double-speak and double-standards.

[26] Nowadays, just like medical experts or specialized doctors, these historians ad archaeologists trading charges like this – so-and-so is an expert in that field and he alone can know the truth and others cannot know the truth. Such type of exclusive mind-set exposes their arrogance and weakness and not the real expertise.

[27]Asghar ali Engineer, Archaeological Excavations and Temple, September 1-15, 2003,  http://www.csss-isla.com/arch%20150.htm

[28] Vedaprakash, Old Judgments and  New thoughts in the present context: S. Veerabadran Chettiar vs E. V. Ramaswami Naicker  others.http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/08/09/old-judgments-and-new-thoughts-in-the-present-context-s-veerabadran-chettiar-vs-e-v-ramaswami-naicker-others/




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2000-yr-old link ties Ayodhya, Korea
October 25, 2010   6:56:46 AM

Rahul Datta | New Delhi

A visit to monuments like the Taj Mahal, Qutub Minar and Red Fort — to name a few — figures prominently on the itinerary of foreign dignitaries when they visit India. However, Ayodhya — in the news nowadays for altogether different reasons — tops the “must-see” list of South Korean Defence Minister Kim Tae-young when he lands here on an official visit.

The proposed official visit to New Delhi, likely to take place next year, and then a personal visit to Ayodhya was finalised during his recent meeting with Defence Minister AK Antony. The two Ministers were holding a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) Defence Ministers’ conclave in Vietnam last week when Antony invited his Korean counterpart to visit New Delhi.

Antony urged Kim Tae-young to visit some prestigious defence establishments in the country and he readily agreed. While the talks were on, one of Antony’s aides suggested that Kim should also visit Ayodhya and everyone was surprised with this rather unusual proposal.

The Korean delegation was in for a pleasant surprise when the reason for this request was revealed. Ayodhya has a link, dating more than 2,000 years back, with South Korea!

Legend goes that Queen Huh, wife of King Suro who was the founder of Karak kingdom in Korea, was born in Ayodhya. Her father, the then king of Ayodhya, was advised in a dream by supernatural powers that he should marry off his daughter to the Korean king. Subsequently, she was sent there in the middle of the first century AD. In fact, a plaque inscribed at Huh’s monument at the banks of river Saryu narrates this story.

The legend is part of South Korean history and came out in 2001, when the mayors of Ayodhya and Kim-Hae town of South Korea signed a “sister city bond” to commemorate their historical ties. The three-metre-high stone monument weighs more than 7,500 kg. Stone for the monument was brought in from South Korea and it was built according to Korean traditions.


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ராமர் கோவில் கட்ட கையெழுத்து: விளக்கம் கேட்கிறது தி.மு.க.,large_114401.jpgசென்னை :  அயோத்தியில் ராமர் கோவில் கட்ட வேண்டும் என்பதை வலியுறுத்தி, விஸ்வ இந்து பரிஷத் சார்பில் நடத்தப்பட்ட கையெழுத்து இயக்கத்தில், பங்கு பெற்ற கன்னியாகுமரி தொகுதி எம்.பி.,யிடம் தி.மு.க., தலைமைக் கழகம் விளக்கம் கேட்டுள்ளது.

விஸ்வ இந்து பரிஷத் அமைப்பின் சார்பில், நாடு முழுவதும் ராமர் கோவில் கட்டுவதற்கான கையெழுத்து இயக்கம் நடத்தப்பட்டு வருகிறது. அதே போல், தமிழகத்திலும், தமிழ்நாடு விஸ்வ இந்து பரிஷத் அமைப்பினர் கையெழுத்து இயக்கம் நடத்தி வருகின்றனர். இந்த கையெழுத்து இயக்கத்தில், தி.மு.க.,வைச் சேர்ந்த கன்னியாகுமரி தொகுதி எம்.பி., ஹெலன் டேவிட்சன் கையெழுத்திட்டிருப்பதாக செய்தி வெளியாகியுள்ளது. இது தொடர்பாக விளக்கம் அளிக்க வேண்டும் என தி.மு.க., தலைமைக் கழகம், ஹெலன் டேவிட்சனுக்கு தாக்கீது அனுப்பியுள்ளது. இதற்கு அவர் அளிக்கும் விளக்கத்தைப் பொறுத்தே அவர் மீது நடவடிக்கை உண்டா இல்லையா என்பது குறித்து தி.மு.க., தலைமை முடிவு செய்யும். கன்னியாகுமரி தொகுதியில், இந்துக்களும், கிறிஸ்தவர்களும் அதிகம்  ஹெலன் டேவிட்சன் வெற்றிக்கு இந்து வாக்காளர்களின் ஓட்டுகள் முக்கிய காரணமாக அமைந்திருந்தது என்பது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.அயோத்தியில் ராமர் கோவில் கட்டுவதற்கு, தி.மு.க.,வைச் சேர்ந்த சிறுபான்மையினத்தைச் சேர்ந்த எம்.பி., ஆதரவளித்திருப்பது அரசியல் வட்டாரத்தில் பெரும் பரபரப்பை ஏற்படுத்தியுள்ளது.


நடந்தது என்ன  ஹெலன் விளக்கம் : ராமர்கோயில் கட்ட ஆதரவு தெரிவித்து, கன்னியாகுமரி எம்.பி., ஹெலன்டேவிட்சன் கையெழுத்து போட்டதாக வெளியான தகவல் குறித்து அவர் தெரிவித்துள்ளதாவது:ஒரு வாரத்துக்கு முன் பா.ஜ., முன்னாள் எம்.எல்.ஏ., வேலாயுதன் தலைமையில் பத்துக்கும் மேற்பட்டவர்கள் என்னை சந்தித்தனர். "ராமர் கோயில் கட்ட பார்லிமென்டில் தீர்மானம் கொண்டு வரும் போது, ஆதரவு தெரிவிக்க வேண்டும்' என கோரினர். கட்சியின் முடிவு படி நான் செயல்படுவேன் என்று தெரிவித்ததை ஏற்றுக்கொண்டனர். பின் என்னை சந்தித்ததற்கான அத்தாட்சி கேட்டனர். அதற்கு கையெழுத்து போட்டுக்கொடுத்தேன். ராமர்கோயில் கட்டுவதற்கான கோரிக்கை மனுவில் கையெழுத்து போடவில்லை, என கூறினார்.


இதை பா.ஜ., மாஜி எம்.எல்.ஏ., வேலாயுதனும் உறுதி செய்தார்.


அவர் கூறுகையில், ""கட்சி முடிவுப்படி நடப்பதாக ஹெலன் டேவிட்சன் கூறியதை நாங்கள் ஏற்றுக்கொண்டோம். நாங்கள் எம்.பி.,யை சந்தித்ததை அயோத்தி சந்நியாசி அமைப்புக்கு தெரிவிப்பதற்காக, அத்தாட்சி கையெழுத்து மட்டுமே பெறப்பட்டது. இதில் அரசியல் சதி நடந்துள்ளது,'' என்றார்.




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TRACKING THE DISPUTE 

1949 | 

Idols of Lord Ram appear inside the mosque,allegedly placed by some Hindus.Muslims protest and both parties file civil suits.Hashim Ansari was plaintiff for Muslims and Mahant Paramhans Ramchandra Das for Hindus.The govt proclaims the premises disputed and locks the gates 

1950 | 


Gopal Singh Visharad and Mahant Paramhans Ramchandra Das file suits in Faizabad,asking for permission to offer prayers to the idols installed at Janmasthan.Inner courtyard gates are locked,but puja is allowed 

1959 | 


Nirmohi Akhara and Mahant Raghunath file a case,seeking permission to conduct puja 

1961 | 


Sunni Central Board of Waqfs,UP,files a case claiming the mosque and the surrounding land was a graveyard 

Feb 1,1986 | 


Faizabad district judge orders the gates of disputed shrine to be opened to Hindus for worship.Babri Masjid Action Committee formed shortly thereafter 

Nov 1990 | 


Advanis Rath Yatra is stopped and hes arrested in Samastipur,Bihar.Following this,the VP Singh-led coalition govt,propped by the Left & BJP,falls after the BJP withdraws support 

Mar 5,2003 | 


The Allahabad high court orders the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) to undertake excavation of the disputed site to ascertain whether a temple existed at the place where the Babri Masjid was constructed 

Aug 22,2003 | 


ASI submits its final report to the Allahabad high court.The 574-page report says that excavations found distinctive features of a 10th century temple beneath the Babri Masjid site 

Aug 31,2003 | 


All-India Muslim Personal Law Board says it will challenge the ASI report on excavations 

Jul 26,2010 | 


The bench reserves ruling,offers all parties a chance for amicable settlement.Nobody comes forward 

Sep 28,2010 | 


SC gives go-ahead to HC for verdict 

Sep 30 | 


Allahabad HC orders that disputed site of 2.77 acres to be partitioned equally among three parties: Muslims,Hindus and Nirmohi Akhara 

May 9,2011 | 


SC stays HCs strange verdict,orders status quo at ground zero

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1528 | 

Mir Baqi,a noble under Mughal emperor Babar,builds the mosque.Hindus claim it was built on a temple which is the birthplace of Lord Ram in Ayodhya.The dispute continues through the British Rule 

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1984 | 

VHP forms a group to spearhead temple movement.BJP leader LK Advani takes over leadership of the campaign 

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1989 | 

Then PM Rajiv Gandhi allowed shilanyas or ground- breaking ceremony at a nearby undisputed site.The hearing of the case is shifted to the high court 

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Sep 25,1990 | 

Then BJP president LK Advani launches Rath Yatra from Somnath to Ayodhya 

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Dec 6,1992 | 

The disputed structure is demolished & P V Narasimha Rao-led Congress government lets a makeshift temple appear in its place before moving the court for status quo 

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