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Pope John Paul II’s sainthood delayed amid doubts over prerequisite miracle?

Pope John Paul II Painting






Pope John Paul II Painting by Mahto HogueMarch 6th, 2010 - 5:05 pm ICT by ANI 

Rome, Mar. 6 (ANI): Pope John Paul II’s shortcut to sainthood has come in danger after doubts were raised over his prerequisite miracle, in which the late pontiff reportedly cured a nun of Parkinson’s disease by prayers.

The Catholic Church normally waits five years after a potential candidate’s death before starting the process for beatification, but John Paul was put on the path to sainthood by his successor Pope Benedict XVI just a month after his death in April 2005, The Independent reports.

See full size imageNews of the “miracle” emerged three years ago when a French nun, 48-year-old Marie Simon-Pierre, claimed that her Parkinson’s symptoms vanished in 2005 after prayers were made to the recently deceased John Paul, who was the Pope for 26 years.

Sister Marie was quoted as saying that as her whole order prayed on her behalf, she scribbled the Pope’s name on a piece of paper only to wake up the next day completely cured.

“It’s like a second birth. I feel like I’ve discovered a new body,” she had said.

However, new reports have surfaced saying that Sister Marie Simon-Pierre has experienced a return of Parkinson’s-like symptoms.

It is being suggested that her original condition may not have been Parkinson’s at all, but a neurological illness with similar symptoms that can go into temporary remission.

Meanwhile, a Vatican spokeswoman has denied reports suggesting that John Paul II’s beatification has been put back until 2011 after emerging doubts about the nun’s “cure.”

“There was no set date for the process, so there’s no question of a delay,” she said.

John Paul II moved closer to sainthood in December last year after Pope Benedict bestowed on him the title “venerable”.

Evidence that he performed a miracle is required for the next step, beatification, and now evidence of a further miracle would be needed for him to be declared a saint. (ANI)

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The four canonical Gospels, the Acts and Paul's Epistles


Every one knows that the Evangeliums were written neither by Jesus nor his apostles, but long after their time by some unknown persons, who, judging well that they would hardly be believed when telling of things they had not seen themselves, headed their narratives with the names of the apostles or of disciples contemporaneous with the latter. 
-- Fauste, Manichean, 3rd century
"Inerrant" Bible in the hands of erring authors:
The man who wrote the Gospel of Matthew attributes to Jeremiah a passage which is in Zechariah; and the writer of the Gospel of Mark attributes to Isaiah a passage which is in Malachi. 
-- A Short History of the Bible, by Bronson C. Keeler

All the Gospels derive their basic story of Jesus of Nazareth from a single source: whoever produced the first version ofMark
That Matthew and Luke are reworkings of Mark with extra, mostly teaching, material added is now an almost universal scholarly conclusion, while many also consider that John has drawn his framework for Jesus’ ministry and death from a Synoptic source as well. We thus have a Christian movement spanning half the empire and a full century which nevertheless has managed to produce only one version of the events that are supposed to lie at its inception. 

Acts, as an historical witness to Jesus and the beginnings of the Christian movement, cannot be relied upon, since it is a tendentiouscreation of the second century, dependent on the Gospels and designed to create a picture of Christian origins traceable to a unified body of apostles in Jerusalem who were followers of an historical Jesus. Many scholars now admit that much of Acts is sheer fabrication.
The Gospels as (fictional) "Midrash"
Not only do the Gospels contain basic and irreconcilable differences in their accounts of Jesus, they have been put together according to a traditional Jewish practice known as "midrash", which involved reworking and enlarging on scripture. This could entail the retelling of older biblical stories in new settings. Thus, Mark’s Jesus of Nazareth was portrayed as a new Moses, with features that paralleled the stories of Moses. Many details were fashioned out of specific passages in scripture. 
... Liberal scholars now regard the Gospels as "faith documents" and not accurate historical accounts.
What is said of the Apocryphal Gospels which appeared in the early ages of the church?
"Several histories of his [Christ's] life and doctrines, full of pious frauds and fabulous wonders, were composed by persons whose intentions perhaps were not bad, but whose writings discovered the greatest superstition and ignorance. Nor was this all; productions appeared which were imposed upon the world by fraudulent men, as the writings of the holy Apostles." 
-- Mosheim
Is the above less true of the books [canonical Gospels] we are reviewing? Are not these writings 'full of pious frauds and fabulous wonders"? Do not these writings display "the greatest superstition and ignorance"? Have not these writings been "imposed upon the world by fraudulent men, as the writings of the holy (?) Apostles"? 

If some of these apocryphal Gospels had been accepted as canonical, and the canonical Gospels had been rejected as apocryphal, these canonical Gospels would appear as untruthful and foolish to Christians as the apocryphal Gospels do. 
-- The Christ, John E. Remsberg


Late arrival of the 4 Gospels


First, except for a thing called "P52," a tiny mid-second century fragment maybe from John, there are no gospel manuscript fragments till about 200 AD (and no complete Gospels till the fifth century).

What's more, the Apostolic Fathers Clement, Polycarp and Ignatius were Christians alive in the late first and early second century. ...they do not quote, or even mention, the gospels. In fact no Christian quotes or mentions our modern gospels until the middle of the second century AD.

In other words, there is no evidence our modern picked-by-Catholic-priests-in-the-fourth-century gospels existed before 150 AD. The books in our New Testament were chosen by Catholic officials in the fourth century AD—the modern list of twenty-seven books was first published in 367 AD.
From: Dating our gospels



Justin Martyr, A.D. 161, is the oldest Christian writer whose extant works may be confidently regarded as genuine. [Genuine does not mean reliable, it merely means that we can assume Justin Martyr authored the works attributed to him, instead of some later writer ascribing words or works to Justin. More on the reliability of St Justin Martyr
He quotes from our Matthew, and may allude to our Luke and Mark -- but he certainly refers to other gospels which we do not possess; and he never refers to our John.
-- The Twelve Apostles, published by Thomas Scott, 1870
Though Justin referred to the contents of these three (out of the four) canonical Gospels, he did not know that they were called Matthew, Mark and Luke.


The Gospel manuscripts did not name the authors

The Gospel manuscripts are the earliest versions of the four canonical Gospels.
The notion that the four gospels ... were written by men named Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John does not go back to early Christian times. The titles "According to Matthew," etc., were not added until late in the second century. Thus, although Papias ca. 140 CE ('Common Era') knows all the gospels but has only heard of Matthew and Mark, Justin Martyr (ca. 150 CE) knows of none of the four supposed authors. It is only in 180 CE, with Irenæus of Lyons, that we learn who wrote the four "canonical" gospels and discover that there are exactly four of them because there are four quarters of the earth and four universal winds.
"There are four principle winds, four pillars that hold up the sky, and four corners of the universe; therefore, it is only right that there be four gospels." 
-- Church father Irenaeus, late 2nd century
Papias said that of the four gospelers, only Matthew knew Jesus — yet Matthew copies extensively from Mark, who never met Jesus. [Link]

About the supposed reference to Matthew and Mark by Bishop Papias (the first to ever mention any of the 4 Gospels):

It is said that Papias referred in some letters (since lost), written in the first half or middle of the second century, to St. Mark's "Memoirs of Jesus," which Papias stated were derived from St. Peter, and to some "Sayings of Jesus" written by St. Matthewin Aramaic, which Papias said that "each one of us has translated as best he could." Papias was Bishop of Hierapolis, and none of his writings survive except in the form of alleged quotations made by Eusebius about 150 years later
It should be noted that, even if the testimony of Eusebius is accepted as accurate, these "Memoirs" and these "Sayings" are first heard of only when at least one hundred years have elapsed after the date assigned to Jesus, and that-assuming the latest possible dates for the deaths of the disciples-no eye-witness of the events related could have been alive at the time when the first mention of these books was made. It can hardly be claimed that a three-generation-old tradition is absolutely reliable. 
-- Shaken Creeds - The Virgin Birth Doctrine, by Jocelyn Rhys
4th century Churchfather bishop Eusebiusby his own admission, was willing to lie for the purpose of the Christian faith. He thought of such as "pious lies". So anything he wrote that he eagerly promoted as validating Christianity ought to be taken with a large heap of salt.



Suppose Papias is referring to our present Gospel of Mark; what testimony have we to the authenticity of Jesus' words as contained in it? Just this: Eusebius says that Papias said that John the Presbyter said that Mark said that Peter said that Jesus said thus and so. That is the historical lineage of the authenticity of the Gospel of Mark. When the reader has that, he has it all. He knows as much of it as the best theologian does, and is just as competent to decide whether or not it is to be credited. 
-- A Short History of the Bible, Being A Popular Account of the Formation and Development of the Canon, by Bronson C. Keeler
Eusebius lived around 260-341 CE. Papias is said to have lived circa 60-130 CE. 
As for the reliability of Bishop Eusebius, regarded by the Church as father of Church history:
"The father of ecclesiastical history," as Eusebius of Caesarea is unhappily called ... He tells us also that his chief business as a writer is to "edify"; which means, to advertise the Church. So modern historians are discreetly reticent about the zealous and courtly bishop. I will, as usual, supply the word which they leave unspoken. Eusebius was a liar.
-- The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe, historian and former Franciscan monk


The Four Gospels: not eye-witness accounts


...we come to the conclusion that the gospels are of unknown origin and authorship, and there is no good reason to suppose they are eye-witness accounts of a man named Jesus of Nazareth. At a minimum, this forces us to examine the gospels to see if their contents are even compatible with the notion that they were written by eye-witnesses. We cannot even assume that each of the gospels had but one author or redactor.
From: Did Jesus Exist


Matthew and Luke


It is clear that the gospels of Matthew and Luke could not possibly have been written by an eye-witness of the tales they tell. Both writers plagiarize (largely word-for-word) up to 90% of the gospel of Mark, to which they add sayings of Jesus and would-be historical details. ...Matthew and Luke contradict each other in such critical details as the genealogy of Jesus...
Matthew and Luke clearly copy from Mark. Not just ideas and paraphrases, but idiosyncratic word for word phrasing that no two, or three, people could have come up with each on their own. These facts force even the most arch conservative believing scholars to admit this "literary dependence." And literary dependence shoots the hell out of the theory that the gospels are first hand histories.




But what about the gospel of Mark, the oldest surviving gospel? Attaining essentially its final form probably as late as 90 CE but containing core material dating possibly as early as 70 CE, it omits, as we have seen, almost the entire traditional biography of Jesus, beginning the story with John the Baptist giving Jesus a bath, and ending - in the oldest manuscripts - with women running frightened from the empty tomb. (The alleged postresurrection appearances reported in the last twelve verses of Mark are not found in the earliest manuscripts, even though they are still printed in most modern bibles as though they were an "authentic" part of Mark's gospel.) 

Mark was a non-Palestinian non-disciple, which would make his story mere hearsay:
  • ...First of all, Mark shows no first-hand understanding of the social situation in Palestine. He is clearly a foreigner, removed both in space and time from the events he alleges.
  • ...One further evidence of the inauthenticity of Mark is the fact that in chapter 7, where Jesus is arguing with the Pharisees, Jesus is made to quote the Greek Septuagint version of Isaiah in order to score his debate point. Unfortunately, the Hebrew version says something different from the Greek. 
    [Author of The Historical Evidence for Jesus, G. A.] Wells, observes...
    "That a Palestinian Jesus should floor Orthodox Jews with an argument based on a mistranslation of their scriptures is very unlikely."
  • ...Mark displays a profound lack of familiarity with Palestinian geography. If he had actually lived in Palestine, he would not have made the blunders to be found in his gospel.




...there is evidence that the Gospel of John, like Matthew and Luke, also is a composite document, incorporating an earlier "Signs Gospel" of uncertain antiquity....the very chapter that asserts the author of the book to have been "the disciple whom Jesus loved" [John 21:20] was a late addition to the gospel. Scholars have shown that the gospel originally ended at verses 30-31 of Chapter 20. Chapter 21 - in which verse 24 asserts that "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true" - is not the work of an eye-witness. Like so many other things in the Bible, it is a fraud. The testimony is not true.Link


The missing ancestry for Jesus, and its invention


For the sake of simplicity, we shall refer to "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" as if they were real authors of the gospels which belatedly came to bear their names. 
The oldest of the gospels, the Gospel of Mark, knows almost nothing of the ancestry, birth, or childhood of Jesus. It knows nothing of any Joseph, the carpenter father of the would-be Messiah, and only once mentions that Jesus' mother was reported to be named Mary [Mark 6:3]. Neither does the latest of the gospels, John's, in which Jesus practically falls out of the sky fully formed, seem to know much about his human origins. 
The most critical need was for a genealogy proving that Jesus was of the lineage of David, since it was widely believed that the Messiah would be a descendent of the lascivious king. So the genealogies were the first additions to be forged and added to the Markan account. Although both Matthew and Luke had copies of Mark's gospel, they did not know of each other's efforts. Fortunately for those of us who value truth, they were unable to conspire with each other to invent a consistent genealogy, and the genealogies they forged contradict each other almost totally -- making it now obvious that both "authors" were liars.
From: A Nativity Potpourri


The Pauline Epistles

These are the letters attributed to St. Saul, who later went by the name of Paul
Saint Saul And His Letters
Some of these epistles are by far the oldest parts of the NT, having been composed at least 30 years before the oldest gospel.

St. Saul's testimony can be ignored quite safely, if what he tells us is true, namely, that he never met Jesus "in the flesh"
Paul attributes what he knows of the matter to his visions.
According to tradition, 13 of the letters in the NT are the work of St. Saul. Unfortunately, Bible scholars and computer experts have gone to work on these letters, and it turns out that only four can be shown to be substantially by the same author, putatively Saul. 
These are the letters known as Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, and Galatians. To these probably we may add the brief note to Philemon, a slave-owner, Philippians, and 1 Thessalonians. The rest of the so-called Pauline epistles can be shown to have been written by other and later authors, so we can throw them out right now
Even the letters supposed to contain authentic writings of Saul/Paul have been shown by a number of scholars to be as composite as the gospels (e.g., L. Gordon Rylands, A Critical Analysis of the Four Chief Pauline Epistles: Romans, First and Second Corinthians, and Galatians, Watts & Co., London, 1929). According to such analyses, the core Pauline material in these letters is what might be termed a pre-Christian Gnostic product. 
...the Greek text of these letters is heavy with terms such as ArchonÆon, etc. - jargon terms popular in the more astrologically conscious forms of Gnosticism. It would appear that the Christ of Paul is as astral a being as the Lamb of Revelation. Like the god of Revelation, the god of Paul communicates via visions, not physically, face-to-face.


The Pauline Epistles do not know the life of Jesus described in the Gospels:

No mention of Jesus' parents, his virgin birth, or place of birthNo period given for when Jesus' lived on earthNo mention of John the Baptist or JudasNo mention of the miracles that Jesus is said to have performed
Link, which discusses these and more discrepancies.


See more:
A list of relevant books on the Gospels, Paul and the New Testament.


See it in action in the present: Vatican scholars prepare to rewrite the Bible

The Apostles

The twelve disciples were a late addition to the Christ myth [Link]
The Twelve Apostles and the Twelve Disciples are just as imaginary as their master Jesus. So why were they Invented? [Link]


The Twelve: Further Fictions From The New Testament:

The Fictive Twelve
Among the many imaginary characters of the New Testament, perhaps the most blatantly obvious fictions are the Twelve Disciples. ...It is not surprising that most of the disciples are mere names – not always the same names from gospel to gospel – and only a few have any definable character. ...some evangelists had trouble coming up with enough names for all twelve ...the authors of the gospels of Mark and Luke were able, by combining three separate stories about disciples or apostles, to come up with thirteen names!

Even though both Matthew and Luke are known to have copied the narrative framework of Mark’s gospel, it is interesting to note that their lists of disciples (or apostles) do not match Mark’s exactly. The simple Thaddæus of Mark is Lebbæus in Matthew. Attempts at harmonizing this discrepancy resulted in later manuscripts of Matthew listing Lebbæus-Thaddæus – a change that was transported back to later manuscripts of Mark as well. ...both Lebbæus and Thaddæus are missing in Luke, who instead has a mysterious Judas the brother of James. And of course Lebbæus, Thaddæus, Judas the brother of James, and James all four are missing in the gospel of John! To make up the defect, John gives Jesus a disciple named Nathanael, a guy unknown in the other gospels. (In fact, even the apocryphal gospels are devoid of Nathanaels until the sixth century CE).

...the gospel of John makes no mention of any disciple named John – even though a John helps make up the count of twelve or thirteen in the other three official gospels. But then, John’s gospel has no Bartholomew either — nor Matthew, James the son of Alphæus, nor Simon the Canaanite. Nor has he any Simon Zelotes, Levi the son of Alphæus, nor any Levi or Matthew the publican (tax gatherer). It is a bit startling to discover that the gospels that do have a Levi and a Matthew appear to have one too many disciples – thirteen.


Apostles and the Zodiac


Of course, if Jesus was a sun-god (and who else is born on the winter solstice and worshipped on Sunday?), he would have needed twelve zodiacal accomplices, one for every month of the year, or one for every sign of the zodiac through which the sun’s chariot journeys. 
...the Twelve clearly serve a zodiacal function in the gospels, and the sun-god nature of Jesus becomes clear as crystal when one examines the early history of the Christian cult. (Excavations beneath the vatican have revealed a mosaic depiction of Christ as the sun-god Helios – with solar chariot, horses, and all!)
The solarity of Jesus and the zodiacal nature of the Twelve is further underscored by the fact that the latter are related to the mythical Twelve Tribes of Israel:
Matt. 19:28. Jesus replied, ‘I tell you this: in the world that is to be, when the Son of Man is seated on his throne in heavenly splendour [what is this, if not the sun?], you my followers will have thrones of your own [i.e. the twelve zodiacal houses], where you will sit as judges of the twelve tribes of Israel.
It has long been known that the tribes are themselves zodiacal symbols, part of the solar development of the Yahweh cult that took place centuries before the turn of the era. The disciples both represent the twelve tribes and judge them.
Same Link




Why were the so-called Twelve Apostles (or Disciples) invented, if they never existed as real men?
...Early church politics. [Link]
theirs was the authentic representative of Jesus: that their teachings had been handed down to them from Jesus himself - via the Apostles. Some even went as far as claiming that their Church was established by Jesus' own relatives. Rival Churches then countered this by attributing statements to Jesus where he distanced himself from his family. 
The Twelve: Further Fictions From The New Testament explains this in more depth
The orthodox Romans weren't the only early Christians to trace their saying and gospels right back to Jesus. All the early Christians, orthodox or heretic, justified their teachings with apostolic succession. What's more, they ran short of apostles, and ended up using the best ones over and over. different Christian theologies developed and lots of mutually incompatible gospels were written in the second century, the various new Christianities each looked for ways to validate their own version of the faith. One standard technique was to invent a chain of authority back to the founders of the faith. To invent the myth of apostolic succession.
From: The myth of apostolic succession


Ignorant rolemodels invented for Christianity
From The Christ, by John E. Remsberg:

"Palestine was one of the most backward of countries; the Galileans were the most ignorant of the inhabitants of Palestine; and the disciples might be counted among the most simple people of Galilee." 
-- Renan, historian
"His followers were 'unlearned and ignorant men,' chosen from the humblest of the people." 
-- [F.W.] Farrar, a Bible scholar
"A dozen knaves, as ignorant as owls and as poor as church mice." 
-- Voltaire


Fictional martyrdom stories for the fictional Twelve


"In the time of Tertullian and Clemens of Alexandria [late 2nd - early 3rd centuries] the glory of martyrdom was confined to St Peter, St Paul and St James. 
It was gradually bestowed on the rest of the apostles by the more recent Greeks, who prudently selected for the theatre of their preaching and sufferings some remote country beyond the limits of the Roman empire." 
– Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire


the martyrdom of Peter is generally rejected, and is not claimed until about 170 [the year 170 CE] 
-- The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe

Ridiculous, conflicting or multiple death scenarios invented for many of the apostles, including:

The Fabricated Deaths of the Apostles
Peter (aka Simon, Cephas)
"Beheaded by Nero?" No, not really. This legend was dreamed up by the mid-2nd century pope Anicetus (156-166). 
3rd century invention gave him a 25-year pontificate – which made it a tad tricky for him to have died at the hands of Nero. 3rd century Church Father Origen dreamed up a colourful flourish: Peter, feeling himself unworthy to be crucified the same way as his Lord, chose option 'B' – crucifixion upside down!

Bartholomew (Nathanael)
What a traveller – India, Persia, Armenia, Ethiopia and southern Arabia! Miraculously he managed to get himself crucified in both India and Armenia.

Matthew (Levi) [- not the Levi, son of Alphæus] 
Credited with 15 years in Jerusalem, then missions to Persia and Ethiopia and, of course, martyrdom in both places.

Thomas Didymus (the Twin)
Another grand traveller, seen everywhere from Parthia to Kerala in south India. 4th century invention, appropriately enough, gives this 'twin' 2 martyrdoms, one in Persia and one in India. He even gets a burial in Syria to boot! Yet another resting place, Mylapore, was claimed by the Portuguese in the 16th century.

Jude/Thaddeus /Lebbaeus /Daddaeus
Either a serious clubbing or crucifixion for this mixed up guy in the city of Edessa or Persia.

Simon the Canaanite/ the Zealot
Invention came late for this guy. When it did, it was a beauty – crucifixion in Persia and also crucifixion thousands of miles away in Britain. He also managed to preach in Africa. Quite an act to follow.

Death by burning. Also death in Jerusalem by stoning – and beheading. Really just makes up the numbers, sometimes merging with Matthew and sometimes swapped out to let Paul into "the twelve."

"Hanged on an olive tree." Or, "lived to the age of 84 and died unmarried.
Body parts claimed by both Padua and Constantinople.
From: The "12 Apostles" – Fabricated followers of a fabricated Saviour has more, including the multiple deaths invented for the treacherous Judas Iscariot.


12 or more tombs for one Apostle:

There are six tombs for St. Thomas in South India. Two are in San Thome Cathedral at Mylapore, a third on an island southwest of Cochin, a fourth in a Syrian church at Tiruvancode in Travancore, a fifth in a Shiva temple at Malayattur in Travancore, and a sixth at Kalayamuthur west of Madurai near the Palani Hills. There are also six tombs for St. Thomas abroad. One is in Brazil, a second inGermany, a third in Japan, a fourth in Malacca, a fifth in Tibet, and a sixth in China
But this is not the end of the matter of tombs. ... 
The "martyred" St. Thomas has existed since the Acts of Thomas, ca. 210 C.E., in which he is executed by King Mazdai for social crimes and sorcery. The Portuguese added the Brahmin assassin after 1517.
Marco Polo cannot be blamed for this story; his St. Thomas was accidently killed by a pariah hunting pea****s. [Link]


In The Christ by John E. Remsberg, the then most popular death scenarios for the 12 most familiar Apostles are listed:

What became of the Twelve Apostles?
The New Testament, a portion of which is admitted to have been written as late as the latter part of the first century and nearly all of which was really written in the second century, is silent regarding them. Christian martyrology records their fates as follows:
  • St. Peter was crucified, at his own request head downward, and buried in the Vatican at Rome.
  • St. Andrew, after having been scourged seven times upon his naked body, was crucified by the proconsul of Achaia.
  • St. James was beheaded by Herod Antipas in Palestine.
  • St. John was "thrown into a cauldron of boiling oil" by Domitian, but God "delivered him."
  • St. Philip was scourged and crucified or hanged by the magistrates of Hierapolis.
  • St. Bartholomew was put to death by a Roman governor in Armenia.
  • St. Matthew suffered martyrdom at Naddabar in Ethiopia.
  • St. Thomas was shot to death with arrows by the Brahmans in India
  • St. James the Less was thrown from the pinnacle of the temple at Jerusalem and dispatched with a club where he fell.
  • St. Simon was "crucified and buried" in Britain.
  • St. Jude was "cruelly put to death" by the Magi of Persia.
  • St. Matthias, the successor of Judas Iscariot, if Christian tradition is to be credited, was put to death three times, crucified, stoned, and beheaded.
Nothing can be more incredible than these so called traditions regarding the martyrdom of the Twelve Apostles, the most of them occurring in an empire where all religious sects enjoyed as perfect religious freedom as the different sects do in America today. Whatever opinion may be entertained respecting the existence of Jesus, the Twelve Apostles belong to the realm of mythology, and their alleged martyrdoms are pure inventions. Had these men really existed Christian history at least would contain some reliable notice of them, yet all the stories relating to them, like the story of Peter at Rome, and John at Ephesus, are self-evident fictions. 
In the significant words of the eminent Dutch theologians, Dr. Kuenen, Dr. Oort and Dr. Hooykaas,
"All the Apostles disappear without a trace."
Noteworthy is the fact that in many cases, the apostles were given stories of executions at the hands of secular or non-Christian religious authorities: the Roman governor of Armenia, Rome's Domitian, the proconsul of Achaia, priests of India and Persia. The execution scenarios were thus envisioned in countries not (yet completely) Christian, setting in place tales of martyrdom at the hands of non-Christian people for Christians to blame. 
Zoroastrianism and countries where this religion was followed, in particular Persia, were serious targets of Christianity in the early centuries. Many stories about various apostles martyred in Persia abound, in order to facilitate the conversion of Persia by rousing the ire of disloyal Christians within its empire. Such tales would also serve to create shame among later generations of Zoroastrians, who'd be led to believe that their religion was intolerant and caused the death of some holy men - when in fact the martyrdoms never happened and the apostles never even existed.


  1. The names of the Twelve Apostles are given with variations in our New Testament, and that of Peter is used anachronously.
  2. Josephus, and all extant contemporary historians and writers, never mention the Twelve Apostles.
  3. A suffering Christ has not any existence in genuine history, or in Jewish belief; consequently the very subject of the Twelve Apostles' preaching is unhistorical.
  4. John of the Apocalypse was ignorant of our four Gospels.
  5. So was St. Paul.
  6. So were the Apostolical Fathers.
  7. Consequently the "gospels" used by the writers mentioned in Nos. 4, 5, and 6, must have been gospels now considered apocryphal.
  8. Justin Martyr was ignorant of our fourth Gospel.
  9. It cannot be shown that our four Gospels were known before the time of Irenaeus.
  10. The text of our four Gospels is corrupt.
  11. That text contains four editions of Christianity.
  12. Our four Gospels do not contain a genuine and authentic history of the Twelve Apostles.
  13. The ecclesiastical history of the Twelve Apostles is inconsistent, spurious, and mythological.
Therefore, the Twelve Apostles are only myths. 
-- The Twelve Apostles, published by Thomas Scott, 1870
Church traditions (ecclesiastical history) on the fates of the Twelve Apostles:
Ecclesiastical History of the Twelve Apostles
Now, let us examine the story Ecclesiastical Tradition tells regarding the Twelve Apostles. Writing towards the end of the second century of our era, Irenaeus says that there existed then only four genuine graves of the Apostles, namely, those of Peter and Paul at Rome, that of John at Ephesus, and that of Thomas at Edessa in Mesopotamia. This is very strange. If the early Christians knew the graves of the Apostles, they would certainly have regarded those graves with profound respect and veneration. Moreover, according to ecclesiastical tradition, both the apostles James were killed at Jerusalem. One of these, James the Greater, was actually bishop of Jerusalem. Now if there ever had been such a man, and had he been put to death in the original seat of the primitive church, how is it conceivable that no Christian knew where he was buried?

Ecclesiastical traditions are much at variance with each other regarding the places where the Twelve Apostles died, or were put to death. Thus these traditions variously represent Peter to have been put to death at Rome and at Edessa, --Philip at Athens and Scythia, --Bartholomew at Cyprus and at Milan, --Judas, the brother of James, in Phoenicia and in Persia, --Simon Zelotes in Egypt and in Mauritania, --Andrew in Scythia and at Patrae in Achaia, --Matthew in Ethiopia and in Persia, --Thomas in Edessa, Scythia, and India. According to Matthew (xxvii. 5) Judas Iscariot hanged himself, but according to the writer of the Acts (i. 6) Judas fell headlong, and his bowels gushed out.

In reading these stories, any reader who knows that inversion of a story into its opposite is a characteristic of legendary history, must be struck by the numerous instances where the place where the death of one and the same apostle occurred is inverted north and south, east and west, V.C., Rome and Edessa --Scythia and India --Ethiopia and Persia! 
-- The Twelve Apostles, published by Thomas Scott, 1870

See more:

The myth of apostolic successionDie Petruslegende by Arthur Drews ("The Peter Legend") of the school of Radical Criticism. Summarised and translated as The Legend of Saint Peter: A Contribution to the Mythology of Christianity The 1910 version of Drews' book has been translated as "The Legend of Saint Peter" by Frank Zindler and is available from American Atheist PressThe Twelve: Further Fictions From The New TestamentThe "12 Apostles" – Fabricated followers of a fabricated SaviourThe myth of St Thomas, online book, about the version of this myth set in India. The elaborate earlier Persian and Parthian versions about St Thomas, which had their Zoroastrian Shah (king) sentencing Thomas to death, is now in disuse. Zoroastrianism having today become extinct in former Parthia (region within Iran and Afghanistan) and a minority religion in Iran (formerly Persia), has made the Persian/Parthian martyrdom narratives no longer of use in those places.



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cc_blue.gif "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
[Benjamin Franklin, in _Toward The Mystery_]



cc_blue.gifI have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world ... The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind ... to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Thomas Jefferson

cc_blue.gif"There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted."


cc_blue.gif "What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church [...]a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them. --Martin Luther cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol.I."


cc_blue.gif Long Live Queen James-- While riding through the bustling streets of London from 1603 to 1621, one was liable to hear the shout "Long live Queen James!" King James I of England and VI of Scotland was so open about his homosexual love affairs that an epigram had been circulated which roused much mirth and nodding of the heads: Rex fuit Elizabeth: nunc est regina Jacobus—"Elizabeth was King: now James is Queen."


Education, The Churches and. J. McCabe, Rationalists Encyclopaedia The legend that Christianity "gave the world schools," which is still repeated even by apologists who consider themselves above the popular class, is, like similar claims in regard to slavery, philanthropy, purity, etc., the exact opposite of the historical facts as they are recorded in every manual of the history of education published since the middle of the last century. Indeed, the Roman system of free education had been described repeatedly since the classical revival of the fifteenth century, and even in Christian circles every biography of Augustine of Hippo had described how he found free pagan schools, primary and secondary, even in the smaller towns of Africa. In earlier civilizations a good deal of schooling had been provided for boys (occasionally girls) of the middle class, as we find in Egyptian and Babylonian remains, but they all, including Greece, regarded the education of the workers as superfluous. Under the influence of the Stoic-Epicureans, long before bishops had the least influence, the Roman Emperors created a system of schools, maintained by the municipalities, for all freeborn children. By the fourth century the "ladder of education" (free to all) stretched, in all parts of the Empire, from the simple primary school, often in the open air, through secondary schools to a sort of university at Rome (and in a few other cities). See the details in Laurie's Historical Survey of Pre-Christian Education (1900) or any modern manual. These schools, in which the text-books were, naturally, Pagan literature, were offensive and dangerous to the Church, and the fact that in so intellectually busy a city as Alexandria the Christians opened a few small schools rather reminds us of the fable of the fly on the chariot - wheel when we are asked to regard this as the beginning of education.       The Fathers were, in fact, overwhelmingly opposed to education and expressed a contempt for profane knowledge. "After Jesus Christ," said Tertullian, "all curiosity is superfluous."



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cc_blue.gif The next wave of religious Rationalism occurred in Germany under the influence of Hegel, who held that a religious creed is a halfway house on the road to a mature philosophy, the product of a reason that is still under the sway of feeling and imagination. This idea was taken up and applied with learning and acuteness to the origins of Christianity by David Friedrich Strauss (1808-74), who published in 1835, at the age of 27, a remarkable and influential three-volume work, Das Leben Jesu (The Life of Jesus, Critically Examined, 1846). Relying largely on internal inconsistencies in the Synoptic Gospels, Strauss undertook to prove these books to be unacceptable as revelation and unsatisfactory as history. He then sought to show how an imaginative people innocent of either history or science, convinced that a Messiah would appear, and deeply moved by a unique moral genius, inevitably wove myths about his birth and death, his miracles, and his divine communings. (see also Index: Hegelianism)


cc_blue.gif If a miracle is by definition utterly improbable, then it is far more probable that our senses have deceived us or that those whose testimony leads us to believe the miracle either deceived us or were deceived themselves by other witnesses or by their senses. David Hume


cc_blue.gif When we were weaned from our mother's tit most of us were forced to suckle from a theological pacifier. drsancho


cc_blue.gif You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each call the other infidel. Thomas Paine.


cc_blue.gif I believe that any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child cannot be a true system. Thomas Paine


cc_blue.gifTheologians are not competent to interpret the doctrines contained in the prophetically revealed law. For this, reason must be employed.-Averroes-


cc_blue.gif With 'Pascal's wager' he uses probabilistic and mathematical arguments but his main conclusion is that If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing. ...we are compelled to gamble... -Pascal, 17th century-


cc_blue.gif "In many respects, says Montaigne [1533 - 1592], moral as well as physical, the cannibals live more sensibly than we do....they have a government of sorts, but not one that systematically robs and starves the helpless; they may eat their enemies, but do not burn them alive or torture them to death over doctrinal trivia.... Twenty years ago, in attending the Montreal Expo, I dropped in to the Canadian Indian exhibit, where the walls were covered with printed statements expressing the exhibitors' opinion of their white visitors. I remember nothing of the actual wording, but what was said in effect was: You conquered us, not fairly in battle but by infecting us with your foul diseases; you stole our land and shut us up into open-air cages; you trapped the animals and burnt the forests we depended on for food and shelter; worst of all, you robbed us of our Great Spirit and put your own horrible scarecrow in its place." -Northrop Frye 1912 - 1991.-


cc_blue.gif "All great truths begin as blasphemies." Shaw


cc_blue.gif Emerson's "Address at Divinity College," Harvard University, in 1838 was another challenge, this time directed against a lifeless Christian tradition, especially Unitarianism as he had known it. He dismissed religious institutions and the divinity of Jesus as failures in man's attempt to encounter deity directly through the moral principle or through an intuited sentiment of virtue. This address alienated many, left him with few opportunities to preach, and resulted in his being ostracized by Harvard for many years.-Ralph Waldo Emerson-



cc_blue.gif One of the earliest women scientists we have documentary evidence for, Hypatia was the daughter of Theon, a mathematician and astronomer at the Museum in Alexandria. Her refusal to convert to Christianity resulted in her murder. Fanatical monks took it upon themselves to remove her. She died violently. She was dragged to her death by a Christian mob who pulled her from her classroom into the streets where they peeled her to death with oyster shells. -She wrote that- All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be accepted by self-respecting persons as final. Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. To teach superstitions as truth is a most terrible thing. -Hypatia of Alexandria Mathematics/Philosophy b. Egypt 370-415-


cc_blue.gif Sigmund Freud, where he writes that the man named Moses was not Jewish but a monotheistic black Egyptian. In addition Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) drew on Darwinian themes when he discussed religion in terms of the "primal horde." According to Freud, belief in God constitutes a regression to a childlike state in which helpless man projects upon nature the image of a comforting father-figure.


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)


cc_blue.gif Valla, Lorenzo, Latin LAURENTIUS VALLENSIS (b. 1407, Rome, Papal States [Italy]--d. Aug. 1, 1457, Rome), Italian humanist, philosopher, and literary critic who attacked medieval traditions and anticipated views of the Protestant reformers.

His Declamatio (Treatise of Lorenzo Valla on the Donation of Constantine), written in 1440, attacked the crude Latin of its anonymous author and from that observation argued that the document could not possibly have dated from the time of Constantine. Valla reduced Aristotle's nine "categories" to three (substance, quality, and action, which corresponded to noun, adjective, and verb) and denounced as barbarisms a number of the technical terms of scholastic philosophy, such as "entity" and "quiddity."

Meanwhile, Valla had become embroiled in another controversy, theological this time, over his refusal to believe that the Apostles' Creed had been composed by the Twelve Apostles. As a result, he was denounced by the clergy and investigated by the Inquisition, which found him heretical on eight counts, including his defense of Epicurus and his criticisms of Aristotle's categories. Only Alfonso's personal intervention saved him from the stake. Predictably, Valla was attacked for his disrespect to St. Jerome, the presumed author of the Latin translation of the Bible; during the Counter-Reformation the Adnotationes were to be placed on the Index, the Roman Catholic church's list of condemned books.

In 1457 he was invited to deliver an encomium of St. Thomas Aquinas to an audience of Dominicans in the Church of Santa Maria sopra Minerva at Rome, to celebrate the saint's anniversary. Valla, however, delivered an antiencomium, a critique of St. Thomas' style and his interest in logic that advocated a return to the theology of the Fathers of the church.


cc_blue.gif Desiderius Erasmus Introduction Born in Rotterdam in 1469, Desiderius Erasmus was the greatest European scholar of the 16th century. Using the philological methods pioneered by Italian humanists, he helped lay the groundwork for the historical-critical study of the past, especially in his studies of the Greek New Testament and the Church Fathers. Finally, his independent stance in an age of fierce confessional controversy--rejecting both Luther's doctrine of predestination and the powers that were claimed for the papacy--made him a target of suspicion for loyal partisans on both sides and a beacon for those who valued liberty more than orthodoxy.

Erasmus' monastic superiors became "barbarians" for him by discouraging his classical studies. "All sound learning is secular learning."



cc_blue.gif Servetus felt he could restore the church by separ ating it FROM THE STATE and by using only those theological formulations that could be proved from Scripture and the pre-Constantinian fathers. When some of Servetus' letters to Calvin fell into the hands of Guillaume de Trie, a former citizen of Lyon, he exposed Servetus to the inquisitor general at Lyon. Servetus and his printers were seized. During the trial, however, Servetus escaped, and the Catholic authorities had to be content with burning him in effigy. He quixotically appeared in Geneva and was recognized, arrested, and tried for heresy from Aug. 14 to Oct. 25, 1553. Calvin played a prominent part in the trial and pressed for execution, although by beheading rather than by fire. Despite his intense biblicism and his wholly Christocentric view of the universe, Servetus was found guilty of heresy, mainly on his views of the Trinity and Baptism. He was burned alive at Champel on October 27. His execution produced a Protestant controversy on imposing the death penalty for heresy, drew severe criticism upon John Calvin, and influenced Laelius Socinus, a founder of modern unitarian views.


cc_blue.gif Theodicy- An attempt to explain or defend the benevolence of god despite the presence of evil in the world.


cc_blue.gif According to lore, in the middle of this century, the British biologist, J. B. S. Haldane, when asked by a group of theologians what one could glean about the Creator from a study of His creation, is said to have replied, "an inordinate fondness for beetles."


cc_blue.gif As for the survival of the Bible, it isn't nearly as old as some holy books. Sections of the Zoroastrian Avesta are older than even the oldest parts of the Old Testament and so are many of the Hindu Vedas. To argue that the length of time a religion has survived is somehow an indicator of its truth, would make many religions "true religions." The history of religion is that they arise out of political and social circumstances of the times, thrive, decline, and die. There is no reason to believe that the same will not happen to Christianity and other ancient religions that have survived for centuries. Information is religion's greatest enemy, and in an age when information is just a few keyboard strokes away from anyone with a computer, this is going to pose a greater threat to Christianity than anything it has yet "survived."


cc_blue.gif One of Frank Zappa's sites: My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.

* * * Children are naive -- they trust everyone. School is bad enough, but, if you put a child anywhere in the vicinity of a church, you're asking for trouble.

* * * The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just keep your ****ing mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.



cc_blue.gif "The major contribution of Protestant thought to the knowledge of mankind is its massive proof that God is a bore." [H.L. Mencken]





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The Ten Biggest Myths of Jesus Christ



Myth #1:  Jesus came into the world by "virgin birth" and has no biological father.

Myth #2:  Jesus is God.

Myth #3:  Jesus' crucifixion was preordained.

Myth #4:  Jesus came to establish Christianity.

Myth #5:  Jesus was not supposed to marry and start a family.

Myth #6:  No one was prepared to be Jesus' wife.

Myth #7:  Mary fully supported Jesus in his mission.

Myth #8:  Its too late for Jesus to be married now.

Myth #9:  Jesus will come on the clouds to meet his followers in the sky at the rapture.

Myth #10:  Jesus will fulfill the Second Coming himself.


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